Off Topic has become Off Limits for me

paulrmartin · Post by **paulrmartin** » Tue Aug 22, 2006 2:35 am

I am sick and tired of these war topics.

You people discussing all the crap going on in the world aren't solving anything. You are only adding fuel to the fire.

Every time I come to this section I only get more and more infuriated.

Give it a rest, already!

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Liquid Len · Post by **Liquid Len** » Tue Aug 22, 2006 2:48 am

You're doing the right thing. If it upsets you that people discuss these topics, just don't read the threads.

On 2006-08-22 03:35, paulrmartin wrote:
I am sick and tired of these war topics.

You people discussing all the crap going on in the world aren't solving anything. You are only adding fuel to the fire.

Every time I come to this section I only get more and more infuriated.

Give it a rest, already!

BingoTheClowno · Post by **BingoTheClowno** » Tue Aug 22, 2006 3:15 am

On 2006-08-22 03:35, paulrmartin wrote:
I am sick and tired of these war topics.

Take a break Paul, you are reading too much.

Shroomz~> · Post by **Shroomz~>** » Tue Aug 22, 2006 3:26 am

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emzee · Post by **emzee** » Tue Aug 22, 2006 5:01 am

Come back in 3 weeks. We'll have found something else to argue about.

Post by **hubird** » Tue Aug 22, 2006 5:38 am

I think you are mistaking it, Paul, it probably is regular Bush ragging

(check my post in the thread).
Tho I must say it's not the most sensitive thing one could post at the moment (timing, title in subject)

Keep it cool guys

edit: I was wrong Paul, it was not only Bush ragging

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H-Rave · Post by **H-Rave** » Tue Aug 22, 2006 8:11 am

I'm amazed more by the fact how bloody big the thread is.I won't read it 1.Because of it's size and 2.Because we're in a (virtual internet)democracy and we have to prove that it is,for the good or the bad,and that's the hardest part to come to terms with.

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Spirit · Post by **Spirit** » Tue Aug 22, 2006 8:29 am

On 2006-08-22 04:26, Shroomz wrote:
This is exactly why in the Holy War thread I politely asked people who didn't want to read ..or contribute .. not to do so. Did they listen? .. Nope. They decided they'd put an end to the thread through whatever means necessary, underhand or not. (no names guv')

Maybe if you'd stop talking about it in every OT thread we could all forget.

Shroomz~> · Post by **Shroomz~>** » Tue Aug 22, 2006 9:00 am

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Nestor · Post by **Nestor** » Tue Aug 22, 2006 9:04 am

If I were to be interested in politics and related, I would not come to this forum to talk about it extensively, perhaps a few comments, ok, but that's it. I would preffer to go to a place where people is expecting for me to talk about it, even agresively, so they will welcome my words whatever they may be.

If I were to be interested in music, I don't think I would be much accepted in a forum about politics, and of course, this makes sense, because they are different things.

Of course the off topic forum is to speak about anything, but common, of course that "musicians" don't like what is goin on here, because it is going beyong the scope of it. I think that an off topic in a forum about music, is for musicians to relax...

I am not telling what to do or not to do, all I mean is that I understand what Paul and Spirit are saying, that's all, you can keep saying and writing anything you consider.

I think "words" are a responsability becuase you push life to somewere, and so, you are teaching in a way to others, how things should be. The more strengh you put in your words, the more responsability you carry for them. It is up to you what you say.

If "PRIDE" is what is behind the writer, if being the "SUPER-KNOWLEGABLE-ONE" is what someone is looking for people to believe, well, this is not only childis and useless, but olso quite sad...

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Shroomz~> · Post by **Shroomz~>** » Tue Aug 22, 2006 11:05 am

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Immanuel · Post by **Immanuel** » Tue Aug 22, 2006 11:58 am

I say, if you want to deal with war, do it IRL. Make actions. Words in themselves are useless. You need to actually do something, that makes a difference. I have not touched those war threads even once. This is not because the subject is not close to my heart. This is actually because the subject is close to my heart, and therefor I spend my energy on it some 15-20 hours a week working for Amnesty International (the worlds biggest human rights organisation with 1.8 million members all over the world (80,000 out of 5,000,000 danes, wich makes it about 1/40 adults)). And since I other things to deal with also in my life - some of them even selfish - I choose to spend my war energy with action. And writing on the internet with a handfull of other people, who are likely not going to change their minds anyway is really not making any worthwhile effort at all.

Also, taking stands is so easy. All we have to do is believe the popular press. Just remember, that it has been known for many wars now, that the first victim in war is truth. Time after time it shows later, that the masses have been manipulated by the media. Mind you though, that beind small and "independent" is no warant for actually showing the true (here meaning FULL) picture.

Put on top of all that, that there are people here, who actually are very much more involved in the war than a danish human rights fighter as me - or most of the membersof this community. There are people here, who LIVE in the war zones. There are likely also people here, who have RELATIVES who in one or another way are in the war zones. I really do think, that there is a value in showing them respect by not going into these topics. And if they themselves participate in these topics, then they may be biased (I guess most people would in that situation), but we do very likely not make the world a better place by TRYING to change their minds.

We may feel like heroes while dealing with big world issues by telling other people "the truth". In fact we rarely do *hit. Most times we just upset or pad eachother on our shoulders/bags/whatever.

I say go out and to something or let people bee. And ...

... START F*CKING RESPECTING JOHN'S REQUEST ABOUT LEAVING POLITICAL TOPICS OUT OF THIS HOUSE. IT IS ONE OF THE ONLY THINGS HE ASKS US TO DO IN EXCHANGE FOR SPENDING HIS (FAMILY) TIME RUNNING THIS FORUM FOR US.

Post by **hubird** » Tue Aug 22, 2006 12:32 pm

Shroomz~> · Post by **Shroomz~>** » Tue Aug 22, 2006 12:43 pm

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dawman · Post by **dawman** » Tue Aug 22, 2006 2:12 pm

Immanuel · Post by **Immanuel** » Tue Aug 22, 2006 2:17 pm

Wasn't there once a "sticky" thread here asking people to stay off political issues?

Shroomz~> · Post by **Shroomz~>** » Tue Aug 22, 2006 2:22 pm

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next to nothing · Post by **next to nothing** » Tue Aug 22, 2006 2:46 pm

yes stay of the war threads etc!

Since WHEN should musicians EVER care about war and politics?

nah, lets stick to mmmbop and barbie girl. Bob Dylan never did any good.

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Immanuel · Post by **Immanuel** » Tue Aug 22, 2006 3:23 pm

Our lives are our most precious posessions
Take good care of yourself
We feel safe and the sun is shining
Take good care of yourself
We buy expensive televisions
Half of the world is starving
We cry when our national football team looses a match
Half of the world is starving

It is so easy to raise our voice and show the world that we care
But when it takes so little, and still we do noting, I'm afraid we just don't care
And that's plain scary
That's just scary

When will there be a day,
when a human has a value
just because he is ...
just because she is
and that is enough for us to care

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Sometimes I write songs like this one. It is not exactly my main style, but it makes my soul survive a day on the street asking people to support Amnesty's work to help people who are not themselves in a position, where they can make a change ... and then I meet people walking around in 400€+ suits, who litterally tell me, that they have other things to spend their money on ... I only ask for 7€ a month ...

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So why do I post this here in this thread? Because Bob Dylan was mentioned. I am just afraid he was mentioned in a rather poor way, since there (in my eyes) is a very big difference between discussing things with "the local hangarounds" (members of Z) and actually going out confronting a bigger audience with things, wich will surely make you harwest some pretty mean IRL eyes.

The comparison between what Bob Dylan did, and writing posts on Z is in my mind ... kind of far out (excuse my frankfulness).

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I am no Bob Dylan. I am not even sure, that the song above will be sung to an audience. My point is. If you want to mix music with politics, then DO it. Writing stuff in the off-topic are is NOT mixing music with politics. But really, DO make political songs, and DO post them here ... in the music forum. And let each song have it's own thread, where we can discuss lyrics, production, EQing and other stuff - both the tech things and the core of the message. THAT would be a way to mix music and politics - a way wich even may help you in your search to have an audience for your message. THIS isn't. This is just like hanging in a bar and being a wice guy toward the other 5 or 20 people, whom you meet every bloody day.

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I hope I did not open a can of worms there :/

Liquid Len · Post by **Liquid Len** » Tue Aug 22, 2006 4:17 pm

The comparison between what Bob Dylan did, and writing posts on Z is in my mind ... kind of far out (excuse my frankfulness).

He's not comparing the significance of Bob Dylan's work to posts on Planetz. He's pointing out that music and politics have gone together often. (Doesn't necessarily mean the music or politics produced will be of the highest quality - war-war is stupid! and people are stupid!). Musicians discussing politics etc isn't exactly something new.