Illuminati and INWO

lagoausente · Post by **lagoausente** » Tue Jul 04, 2006 12:13 pm

What do you think?
True of false?

Mr Arkadin · Post by **Mr Arkadin** » Tue Jul 04, 2006 12:43 pm

What do i think? i think this should be in off topic.

Shroomz~> · Post by **Shroomz~>** » Tue Jul 04, 2006 1:41 pm

Yes, OT without a doubt.

lagoausente · Post by **lagoausente** » Wed Jul 05, 2006 9:11 am

I agree,
I´m waiting for any opinion about Illuminati, Bilderberg group, and new world group.

darkrezin · Post by **darkrezin** » Wed Jul 05, 2006 9:20 am

Have you done any research on this stuff?

There are 2 basic opinions:

1. "these organizations control the world and systematically enslave its people"

2. "these organizations do not control the world, so shut the fuck up for suggesting your mad conspiracy theories you dopesmoking hippy bastard"

There is perhaps another opinion that should be considered:

3. "these organizations are red herrings to distract attention from the real bastards (whoever they may be) who are running the world and systematically enslaving its people."

lagoausente · Post by **lagoausente** » Wed Jul 05, 2006 1:18 pm

I think is a fine debate.
I really think maybe they are all three true.
1- They control the world.
2- Probably not that conspiracy theory way.
3- Probably theories coming from anarchists.

Regarding to point 1, I have read about some treaties like A.M.I. , where countries will loose legal power against multinational interests. Also, many richest man, are on the front of the most important goverments
, http://www.syti.net/ES/index.php
http://www.syti.net/index.php

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fra77x · Post by **fra77x** » Thu Jul 06, 2006 5:54 am

musicians don't read "products"... or they do?

Counterparts · Post by **Counterparts** » Thu Jul 06, 2006 7:23 am

I think that the Illuminati trilogy is a cracking good read by Robert Anton Wilson, but that's as far as it goes folks

nprime · Post by **nprime** » Thu Jul 06, 2006 9:37 am

Yes, an excellent piece of FICTION.

RAW rocks.

Someone controls the world, the people with all the money. Not really a conspiracy, as such, it's just the way the system works. Big money can tell governments what to do.

R

eliam · Post by **eliam** » Thu Jul 06, 2006 11:37 am

The forces who want to create a one world government (read: one world tyranny) are seeing quite well that they're not going anywhere with their insane plans. The reason why they can't achieve their destructive goals is quite simple: there are much much more powerful forces at work in this world, which we could call the Forces of Love and Light! Destruction can only go so far. They can't prevent people from being good if they really want to! I think that by being good and kind to each other we can collectively counteract the destructive element.

But let's face it: there is no war that is not planned, no mass destruction that is not deliberately orchestrated and consciously carried out.

dawman · Post by **dawman** » Thu Jul 06, 2006 2:09 pm

Is it not strange though, how nature always balances itself out.

Post by **hubird** » Thu Jul 06, 2006 5:33 pm

it depends on the time scale you're thinking of

The situation of internationally operating 'states' is now about 500 years old, and so is colonialism, and there's not so much balanced.

2/3rd of world's population is starving and/or is surpressed, they don't have the time to wait for 'natural balancing'.

So what's important, is not the time scale but the time itself.
As long as such a big part of the world's humans suffer, the others are responsible, and should care.

Not meant to argue tho.
cheers

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astroman · Post by **astroman** » Thu Jul 06, 2006 6:14 pm

On 2006-07-06 18:33, hubird wrote:
...As long as such a big part of the world's humans suffer, the others are responsible, and should care...

that would be truely against human nature

wait a minute - it's not some kind of sarcastic joke or Monty style humor
think twice and then name one single example in history when this approach was applied

cheers, Tom

Post by **garyb** » Thu Jul 06, 2006 6:58 pm

ok, i'll chime in here.

the San-bushmen people are genetically the oldest race on the earth. they have no war and beleive in helping eachother and talking out all problems endlessy until solved. that is how humans have survived for millenia and THAT is true human nature. war did not start before cities.

stop blaming the masses for the behavior of their teachers....

of course the new world order is real. haven't you heard all the politicians(and the pope) calling for it? haven't you heard the announcements of it? if not, just hang out. you'll hear about it soon enough.

yes, it can easily be defeated, but it will take some different thinking.

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dawman · Post by **dawman** » Thu Jul 06, 2006 7:25 pm

GaryB,
You are a walking wealth of knowledge. The San Bushmen. Are you the voice on the History channel? Jeez, no wonder you make such stable SFP boxes. Damn I'm impressed, makes me wonder. You sound so normal when we converse, but on certain topics it reminds me of E.F.Hutton, everyone listens. We should be like them, after all if they have been here the longest, they obviously can show us a thing or two. Are they the guys that look like the dudes in the Crocidile Dundee movie? The inventors of the Didgereedoo? I find this fascinating.

Post by **garyb** » Thu Jul 06, 2006 7:49 pm

no, they are african and they are from the first family line that we all come from. the san bushman lived late stone age culture until 10 or 20 years ago. they always had everything they needed and so even when iron age culture appeared with their bantu, and later european, neighbors their lives changed little.

their habitat was protected during the aparthied period in south africa, but they have been forced(literally) to adopt modern life since.

pictures, etc:
http://www.photographersdirect.com/stoc ... desert.asp
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news ... shmen.html
http://www.africa-ata.org/bw_san_photos.htm
http://www.phototravels.net/namibia/bus ... eople.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bushmen

it's tempting to call them primitive and all that the pejoritive of that term implies, but they lived side by side with lions and hyenas for at least 22,000, and more like 80-100,000 years all over the african continent before being forced to south african savannah by farmers and herders. they have been very successful and that takes intelligence and mastery of the environment. show me the city that has survived as long....

about 80,000 years ago, they started leaving africa(between ice ages) to populate all of the earth and their ancestors are the foundation of all human family lines....

it was not until cities and fixed agriculture brought property into the picture that strong cheifs began to form armies and practice warfare. before that time, everyone was seen as important and connected and family.

i had mentioned this book before, which traces such things as well as can be traced from the evidence; genetic, archeological, written and oral:
http://www.sondela.co.uk/Aqua/Books/AquaApeUS.pdf

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dawman · Post by **dawman** » Thu Jul 06, 2006 8:27 pm

I would love to send my 10 year old son to you 4 private tutoring next summer 4 two weeks on this and SFP, as I am building him a little gaming DAW with one of my Scope Project cards I have laying around.
I am serious. When it comes to my son I pull no punches in his education. I just enrolled the services of an in house tutor who specialises in Photoshop, and creation of your own gaming characters for 80 USD a day 4 3 hours a day while I'm gigging. He is a starving college student on Uncle Sams program. That's why he's so cheap. I would not expect you to work 4 that meagher amount though. 2 week vacation in SoCal, we could finally meet. Consider it.
I saw the photos in your post, it makes me miss my x-bassist from my funk band. He was 6'7", and played the 6-string bass like he played the life before, totally amazing. I miss him. pd593572jpg. He said he was of Swahili heritage.
Thanks 4 plumbing me up. BTW did you hear the acoustic piano licks I left on your phone service? It's my new Chickering Upright Grand Piano samples I had made 4 me that showed up while I was gone. The samples went from 3 string, to 2 string, to one string, with pedal up and down variations and body resonance convolution reverb from Gigapulse. No Lexicon on that one. That dog will hunt.

_________________
Jimmy V.

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Post by **garyb** » Thu Jul 06, 2006 9:55 pm

yep, it was pretty nice!

Post by **garyb** » Thu Jul 06, 2006 10:28 pm

there's been no "bird flu" in humans.

http://www.recombinomics.com/News/07030 ... Match.html

terrorism is the nwo method of ruling.

astroman · Post by **astroman** » Fri Jul 07, 2006 1:18 am

On 2006-07-06 19:58, garyb wrote:
...the San-bushmen people are genetically the oldest race on the earth. they have no war and beleive in helping eachother and talking out all problems endlessy until solved. that is how humans have survived for millenia and THAT is true human nature. ...

stop blaming the masses for the behavior of their teachers....

one of them is featured in the movie Red Scorpion with Dolph Lundgren, which starts as one of those glorifying action trash clips and then takes a complete turn by the role of the bushman.
Always friendly, fearless and in control - anwser's Dolph's (sorry, forgot the character's name) russian version of 'hasta la vista' when they first meet with a jiggle and the movie ends with the same jiggle of the bushman (who's just amused about the sound of the words) walking back into the desert.

I agree that's something to consider - a truely upright attitude.
I find few, if any of it though in my own environment...

in Germany there's a political phrase about the 'knowledgeable and aware citizen', wow ...
it would be easier to get a vote for an invasion of Iran than to suggest a speed limit on the autobahn for more economic use of resources. You (in the US) have the Rifle association - we have free rides for free citizens

to use public transportation is socially dissed, unless in (large city) areas with constant traffic jams.

60% of the older-than-40 part of the population suffer from metabolic syndrome and require constant medical treatment (which costs a fortune) and don't have the slightest intention to change their way of living. Enjoy.

there's a catastrophy somewhere on the planet and our government graciously donates 100 million ...
ok, better than nothing at all - but it represents no more than the value of 100m of subway.

Anyone in Germany has access to free education - I really don't blame the masses, I just consider them stupid and unmotivated.
And that's in their own responsibility - we don't have that much of a teacher problem here, currently...

Your example is very convincing Gary, but you have to admit that you had to dig pretty deep to find it (literally I mean - you certainly were aware of it immediately).
I agree that there is hope (and potential) as there always is.

cheers, Tom

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