Vocodizer wet/dry

Liquid Len · Post by **Liquid Len** » Thu May 04, 2006 4:28 pm

Is there any way I can 'bleed' some of the Analysis In signal into the vocodizer output?

wayne · Post by **wayne** » Thu May 04, 2006 8:30 pm

MicroMixer?

astroman · Post by **astroman** » Thu May 04, 2006 11:00 pm

...or split the signal and send the dry signal on a parallel mixerchannel.
In the 2448 mixer there's a sample delay compensation, otherwise include a PhaseFix (free from Adern) module in the dry channel, as there WILL be a recognizable phase difference.
It's nothing complicated and doesn't necessarily spoil the sound, but the range of variation is quite large.
There are even plugins that use this (few samples) difference intentionally for fx purpose

cheers, tom

at0m · Post by **at0m** » Fri May 05, 2006 2:56 am

No need for phase fix here - you can't phase-lock the built-in voco synth with the voice.

Liquid Len · Post by **Liquid Len** » Fri May 05, 2006 2:57 am

Thanks for the replies. This is a question about the Vocodizer itself. I don't have the option to use the SFP routing, I'm using it on a Noah, and sending it to a different output than the 'mains'. Does the plugin ITSELF have the ability to mix dry signal with its output?

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wayne · Post by **wayne** » Fri May 05, 2006 3:34 am

Plugin itself won't do it afaik, but it's still possible in a limited way with the Noah mixer.

I send Analysis to mix then fiddle with the levels - but there is no way to simply fade the A signal in it seems.

Come to think of it, a routing window would be nice for Noah software for these moments

Shroomz~> · Post by **Shroomz~>** » Fri May 05, 2006 3:41 am

If your A signal is another part on Noah already going into the Noah's mixer, then you already have the dry signal before it gets wet in Vocodizer. To further mess with that A signal *before* Vocoding you can obviously use FX in lots of ways.

Sadly, the output stage on vocodizer could have been expanded on the Noah version as it doesn't have the built in synth, but obviously nobody thought that far into it.

alfonso · Post by **alfonso** » Sat May 06, 2006 5:35 am

Noah Vocodizer gets the incoming signals from other channels of the mixer, a slot for the synth and, say, an input for the analysis. Both those signals can be enabled from their own channels to the mix output or just un-enabled if you only want them in the Vocodizer.

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Liquid Len · Post by **Liquid Len** » Sat May 06, 2006 11:08 am

That wouldn't work either. I can indeed spill the vocal into the main mix, but I have it purposely muted from the main mix, and going only into the vocoder. The vocoder outputs on Adat 1/2 (in spdif mode). This way, I can send my instruments from the Noah to the board using the analog outs, and the vocoder on its own (spdif) channel. I don't like having the vocoder mixed in with the keys, there are special considerations you have to take into account when you're using a microphone that don't apply to keyboard sounds, like feedback issues in stage monitors for instance. I also found that the best, most consistent vocoder sound I could get from the vocoder (there's less time to fiddle, live) was plugging a mike directly into the noah, so I had two mikes, kind of a cumbersome setup. Especially when I'm not that strong a singer, why do I need TWO mikes?

I recently found a footswitch that lets you switch a passive mike signal to two different outputs, this lets me use just one mike (press down to send the mike to the vocoder instead of the main board). But if I can't blend a main vocal with the vocoder, I'm back to the drawing board I guess.

Shroomz~> · Post by **Shroomz~>** » Sat May 06, 2006 11:39 am

Using the ADAT outs would help you for starters. I'd definately advise a sync plate & ADAT use of NOAH. Mics should undoubtedly go thru mic pres with balanced outs to balanced ins on Scope. Anything else is unfortunately a comprimise.