hdd power off

fidox · Post by **fidox** » Sun Apr 02, 2006 3:08 pm

hi !

recently i have some problems with hdd., but i'm not sure if this can be related somehow to scope cards or something else...

i have second computer just for audio purpose,
i have there 2 x pulsar Xtc and Luna II,
intel 875 chipset, pentium 4, sata WD 80gb hdd , radeon 9600pro , power supply 550W,

when i load my default project into SFP and run cubase , what i normaly do, and start working with music, sometimes my hdd shuts down ( i can hear the sound )in the middle of work ,everything freezes then,
then i power on computer again ,i can see hdd detected in bios, sometimes not, but after few power off and on, hdd start to work again,
i was working couple of times whole day and hdd didn't shuts down, but sometimes does,
there's no other strange sounds, like just when it shuts down in the middle of work,

so my questions are;
could that be power supply (550W),somehow doesn't work properly?
could that be bad hdd
could that be when i load large project into SFP and power supply ?

any thoughts ?

[ This Message was edited by: fidox on 2006-04-02 16:10 ]

psionic · Post by **psionic** » Sun Apr 02, 2006 4:11 pm

Do you use "midiseq dest" module? It is a common problem with creamware and newer configs. Try installing PC in acpi apic mode off ( selectable in bios ) or instal windows as standard PC - no ACPI compliant...
You should not get IRQ greater than 16. If this is a case, then apic is on. Disable it in bios and everything will be great.

Blame Creamware for drivers !!!

fidox · Post by **fidox** » Sun Apr 02, 2006 10:42 pm

thanks for your reply, i'll check for apic mode in bios, i have already windows installed in standard PC mode,

thanks for now .......

valis · Post by **valis** » Mon Apr 03, 2006 12:05 am

On 2006-04-02 16:08, fidox wrote:
hi !

recently i have some problems with hdd., but i'm not sure if this can be related somehow to scope cards or something else...

i have second computer just for audio purpose,
i have there 2 x pulsar Xtc and Luna II,
intel 875 chipset, pentium 4, sata WD 80gb hdd , radeon 9600pro , power supply 550W,

when i load my default project into SFP and run cubase , what i normaly do, and start working with music, sometimes my hdd shuts down ( i can hear the sound )in the middle of work ,everything freezes then,
then i power on computer again ,i can see hdd detected in bios, sometimes not, but after few power off and on, hdd start to work again,
i was working couple of times whole day and hdd didn't shuts down, but sometimes does,
there's no other strange sounds, like just when it shuts down in the middle of work,

so my questions are;
could that be power supply (550W),somehow doesn't work properly?
could that be bad hdd
could that be when i load large project into SFP and power supply ?

If its a power supply issue then a utility to monitor Power and Temperatures (I use a small "Hardware Sensors Monitor" app but there are many like it) will show the power issue. You have 12v, 5v and 3.3v lines (plus a core voltage that is derived from the 3.3v line I believe). The 12v is your 'accessory' power line and if it deviates from more than half a volt you have a problem with it, and it could cause your HD problems.

HOWEVER, it sounds to me that your most likely culprit is the IDE chain. The simplest thing to check is your IDE cable. Its either not properly seated OR it has a fault somewhere inline (its rather easy to crimp the cables trying to stuff everything into a PC causing a fault). This can cause intermittent connections, where one boot it works and another it doesn't. It could ALSO be the power cable connection or power lead connected to the HD.

Lastly, it could of course be a faulty HD. Try putting it into your main system for a few hours some day when you don't expect to be doing any work with the 2nd machine. See if you see any similar symptoms.

Ignore the poster above who is blaming the HD problems on Creamware. If there is ANYTHING here related it could possibly also be that your power saving functions are not properly installed into the OS (if you switched from ACPI to Standard PC) and this is affecting the HD, but this is an OS-level issue and the least likely. The most common issue with not having the proper power saving functions installed in Xp is that you simply lose the soft shutdown functionality, and have to manually power the machine off from the front panel after doing shutdown in XP.

valis · Post by **valis** » Mon Apr 03, 2006 12:08 am

On 2006-04-02 17:11, psionic wrote:
Do you use "midiseq dest" module? It is a common problem with creamware and newer configs. Try installing PC in acpi apic mode off ( selectable in bios ) or instal windows as standard PC - no ACPI compliant...
You should not get IRQ greater than 16. If this is a case, then apic is on. Disable it in bios and everything will be great.

Blame Creamware for drivers !!!

Spamming 9 threads with the same message in an effort to express your frustration isn't really helping your reputation among the users here, and it will do NOTHING to get Creamware to address your issues. There are known email addresses that the users here can furnish to contact certain Creamware employees directly, and you can address your concerns with them.

Everyone is very sorry that you have problems, but enough is enough.

Post by **garyb** » Mon Apr 03, 2006 12:08 am

i agree with valis.

fidox · Post by **fidox** » Mon Apr 03, 2006 2:12 am

thanks valis,

em , sorry but hd is SATA and not IDE and everything is connected well, i have checked again,

that starts happend when i change IDE for SATA, cause my fathers hd (well actually it's also mine) dies, so i helped him with my IDE hd, and my second hd there was SATA, so i use that one,

but right now i'm installing winXP back on IDE hd, so i'll see....

i'll remove SATA hd for now and change it for new one, cause i still have guarantee for it, if this one works fine, i'll sell SATA or add pci sata card, cause i already have 2 sata hd in this computer, hehe

[ This Message was edited by: fidox on 2006-04-03 03:12 ]

H-Rave · Post by **H-Rave** » Mon Apr 03, 2006 2:42 am

It's got nothing to do with your power saving settings on your screensaver by any chance?That happened to me once.
Oh yeah and the psionic guy if your so clever,put your computer back into acpi without formatting your hard disk and without doing a clean install.You may have less problems.At least that'll keep you occupied.

[ This Message was edited by: H-Rave on 2006-04-03 03:49 ]

valis · Post by **valis** » Mon Apr 03, 2006 2:59 am

On 2006-04-03 03:12, fidox wrote:
thanks valis,

that starts happend when i change IDE for SATA, cause my fathers hd (well actually it's also mine) dies, so i helped him with my IDE hd, and my second hd there was SATA, so i use that one,

but right now i'm installing winXP back on IDE hd, so i'll see....

i'll remove SATA hd for now and change it for new one, cause i still have guarantee for it, if this one works fine, i'll sell SATA or add pci sata card, cause i already have 2 sata hd in this computer, hehe

I should have been more specific and included SATA yes, so let's also say: SATA cables do have a few less wires to fail (compared to IDE) but its still a point of failure that should be checked.

Whatever the problem hope you figure it out...

psionic · Post by **psionic** » Mon Apr 03, 2006 6:18 am

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Spamming 9 threads with the same message in an effort to express your frustration isn't really helping your reputation among the users here, and it will do NOTHING to get Creamware to address your issues. There are known email addresses that the users here can furnish to contact certain Creamware employees directly, and you can address your concerns with them.

Everyone is very sorry that you have problems, but enough is enough.

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I am not interested in gain a reputation - only want to warn potential byers. I have no use of creamware's emailing, I emailed them a few times with complete spec of my hardware/software, and requests for drivers - but guess what ? No answer... And I am frustrated indeed. Where the hell is their tech support?
I think that they are taking advantage of their old products, with no intention of updating it. And if you think that there is no need of it - just browse the forums. And at last (but not the least) where is real update of scope? 64 bit drivers? What did dhey sold to me ? Think about it...

valis · Post by **valis** » Mon Apr 03, 2006 6:50 am

You're currently spamming 10 different threads with the same basic complaints. If you think badgering users who have a variety of issues in the "Problem Solving" area with the SAME information is somehow sending any message other than the fact that you're a troll in the making, you're a bit mistaken. 10 different threads now in fact, although i see you've bothered to edit a few of your posts to some nonsensical meaning which bears no relation at all to the topic of the thread its in.

Again we're sorry for your frustration, but there's no need to make it OUR frustration. This is a user's forum, and a privately run one at that.

bronYaur · Post by **bronYaur** » Mon Apr 03, 2006 7:04 am

i use one real 250 watt (170real watt in 5 e 12 vlotl line ,like one 300/350 watt)

this work with no problem with 3 scope,2 hd and 128Mb vga and cdrw

psionic · Post by **psionic** » Mon Apr 03, 2006 7:18 am

On 2006-04-03 07:50, valis wrote:
You're currently spamming 10 different threads

... I am not spamming - is this a problem solving forum? Then what am I spamming? And no insults please, I didn't insult anyone (except for the Creamware, they deserve it!)

valis · Post by **valis** » Mon Apr 03, 2006 8:47 am

You're spamming your displeasure with Creamware's drivers--a story for which there are already many threads that you could contain the discussion in and keep it on target. But rather than do this you're spreading it out across as many different currently active threads as you possibly can. You're also being borderline argumentative. In fact I addressed the behaviour because I sat here and watched you reply to each of those threads in turn and decided to call you on it after the 9th thread--and you even found a 10th before you stopped spreading and just stuck with the responses you'd garnered.

Internet trolls, Slashdot trolls and Yahoo! trolls are people who are deliberately inflammatory on the Internet in order to provoke a vehement response from other users.

(This usage is derived from "trolling for fish" below, and not from mythological trolls, above, but the metaphors are now so frequently confused that those who troll (baiting people for angry responses, as if for fish) are far more often referred to as trolls, than trollers.)
Antagonist / trolls are people who join groups and disrupt them with gossip, personal attacks, and misdirected seeking of sympathy for overblown or fictitious injuries.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troll_%28disambiguation%29

[ This Message was edited by: valis on 2006-04-03 09:50 ]

Post by **garyb** » Mon Apr 03, 2006 8:57 am

troll indeed.

valis · Post by **valis** » Mon Apr 03, 2006 11:45 am

He's stated in various threads that he's apparently tried several times. I did mention that many users here know several of the employee's emails directly (and they're available with a bit of poking around in various threads). Ralf's email for instance would perhaps be a good place to start.

I too understand what it is like to be frustrated, but I do think PlanetZ should be given respect as the forums are not the source of the frustration.

psionic · Post by **psionic** » Mon Apr 03, 2006 4:05 pm

On 2006-04-03 09:57, garyb wrote:
troll indeed.

to garyb: (and all the others)
OK, It seems that I was trolling indeed...
But call it whatever you like, I have lost a bunch of euros, and tried to get masses on this forum to became aware of creamware's faults. Me alone can't do anything...

And for the 1000th time: The drivers are dated 2001. By the statistic - they CAN'T be good on newer computers after 5 years. You and few others with 1000 and more replies, do not agree with me. I don't know why. We all should attack Creamware with emails: 'Please update drivers, we have a lot of problems, because we bought newer computers'

You said that you built big number of working configs... But this ting *IS* working for 95% of needs for average users. Not everybody uses midi dest, or stm16s, etc.

Sorry for the words in previous threads, it was a result of another bug found...

AUX 1 do not remain after saving a project on stm16. It is connected, but not displayed. Small bug, but still a bug that took an amount of time.

I admit I'm a bit over the edge, but...

to valdis:

There is no point to repeat my earlier threads, which I wrote few months ago. From then, I managed to make my scope platform working, found out what makes it freeze (apic or more than 16 IRQs ) at least for the number of users, I found out the bug in installation, and post a solution which works - so I got the picture that their product is full of small faults leading to bigger ones. And I invested the money in this.

This card is good, but that little bugs are really annoying. I want them to disappear !

To all gurus on this forum:
Do you know that advice like >> BUY MATROX or REPLACE POWER SUPPLY, REPLACE RAM << can cost some novice user a lot ??? I tear 2 computers apart, mix their components in hideous ways, reinstalled windows 100 times, and found out about this forum. Here I found * A LOT OF * people with similar problems, and I don't mean problems like 'noise on input, or asio do not work well', wich are mostly out of lack of knowledge...So I came to conclusion - drivers. Hate me as much as you like, but the facts are there.

... And that drivers could be real problem... So I am solving problems

[ This Message was edited by: psionic on 2006-04-03 18:10 ]

symbiote · Post by **symbiote** » Tue Apr 04, 2006 8:41 am

Next time, before you invest several thousand dollars on a new hobby or sound hardware, DO SOME RESEARCH FIRST.

Wether you are a novice or not is irrelevant, this is totally basic common sense stuff. If you don't do your research properly, you only have yourself to blame.

Not sure about that drivers stuff either. You have to go thru the SAME kind of jumping-thru-loops to get a normal onboard soundcard to work properly!!! (without clicking/pops, I mean.)

Tweaking DirectSound buffers, tweaking IRQ, disabling some services/etc. Sorry. It's sometimes necessary for UAD/PoCo, RME, Virus TI, etc also, and pretty much any other kind of sound hardware, pro or not.

Seriously. Look around a bit on the other forums/mailing lists. I can paste you hundreds of messages/threads from the Access Virus mailing list that follow almost WORD FOR WORD similar problem solving threads for Creamware stuff. IRQ, ACPI, Power Supply, chipset drivers, video cards, graphics acceleration, re-format and re-install, turn off services, "omfg this doesn't work access sucks", "works fine here", "i'm selling my TI, Access is a shame", "omfg stfu it works fine noob", etc etc etc etc. It's the SAME.

This is totally run-of-the-mill standard stuff to get audio to work properly with Windows XP. The only way around this, INDEPENDANTLY of OS, platform, interface, is to do some research to figure out what parts work well together, and stick with those.

Don't like it? Take it to the hardware vendors who churn out millions of motherboards a year and force you to adopt new architectures, take it to the software cartels sitting on US$50 BILLIONS, but don't take it on the tiny specialized audio hardware developer. That's just lame.

psionic · Post by **psionic** » Tue Apr 04, 2006 8:14 pm

Don't like it? Take it to the hardware vendors who churn out millions of motherboards a year and force you to adopt new architectures, take it to the software cartels sitting on US$50 BILLIONS, but don't take it on the tiny specialized audio hardware developer. That's just lame.

I agree...
...but I think that if they (cw) want to be in the game, they must follow changes. That is all I am saying. My luna will have to go in my old comp...

The card worked fine in my old comp - I have done researching, and still think it is one of the best cards. but (see the post I wrote to astroman) it is a brand new ferrarri with scratches - that's what it is. That is frustrating for me. I want no scratches, and I think that they could do a little programming - that's all... They don't have to... but it would be really nice...

cheerz...

[ This Message was edited by: psionic on 2006-04-04 21:18 ]