The creamware reverb

vilddyr · Post by **vilddyr** » Tue Apr 19, 2005 6:42 pm

My GOD i love my creamware reverb!! I just wanted to say thank you creamware for such a beautifully sounding reverb, and it's even included when you buy a card! I love the Masterverb. absolutely love it.

next to nothing · Post by **next to nothing** » Tue Apr 19, 2005 8:39 pm

another one bites the dust

(dansk btw?`)

RoonSmits · Post by **RoonSmits** » Sat Apr 23, 2005 4:06 pm

On 2005-04-19 19:42, vilddyr wrote:
My GOD i love my creamware reverb!! I just wanted to say thank you creamware for such a beautifully sounding reverb, and it's even included when you buy a card! I love the Masterverb. absolutely love it.

Just a question: ever tried a Lexicon MPX550 external reverb? This will allow you to hook it up via S/PDIF and save your DSP for other things.

just my 2 Euro cents

Ronald

firubbi · Post by **firubbi** » Sun Apr 24, 2005 10:45 am

Creamware reverb might sound better than Lexicon MPX550 external reverb. i had use MPX-1.
thanks

Post by **hubird** » Sun Apr 24, 2005 11:02 am

MPX1 sounds better than Masterverb (even -Pro), that's my conclusion

RoonSmits · Post by **RoonSmits** » Sun Apr 24, 2005 11:39 am

On 2005-04-24 11:45, firubbi wrote:
Creamware reverb might sound better than Lexicon MPX550 external reverb. i had use MPX-1.
thanks

Opinions could differ, but hardware just does a better job for me.

On 2005-04-24 12:02, hubird wrote:
MPX1 sounds better than Masterverb (even -Pro), that's my conclusion

Word !

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Post by **garyb** » Sun Apr 24, 2005 2:59 pm

masterverb is very good. the lexicon is just different. use what you like.

beerbr · Post by **beerbr** » Sun Apr 24, 2005 4:27 pm

I think both sound different.

Both can be winner in different materials and different situation.

But I'm sure they both can make professional sound.

And I think the most important of this is how well people can use it. May be lexicon is easier to use and people is get used to it already. But Masterverb has a different way to use and for some people they might not get used to and can make them hard to get it fully in control.

Post by **hubird** » Sun Apr 24, 2005 6:09 pm

I was just talking about the quality of the reverb, soundwise

If only quality is defined as naturalistic suggestion of real rooms, the MPX1 is much more realistic, you get great deepness without getting density.
Plate reverb and other artificial reverbs is a different story off course

But I admit immediately that there are other criterions for reverb

You bet, when I got my Masterverb Pro, I hoped that I could sell the MPX, but no way, it's still of an other level.
And it's never not Lexicon's flagship, so imagine their famous models I even never have heard

Enjoy your Masterverbs tho, like I do mine, it's a great sounding plug, with terrific eq possibilities, and easy to edit indeed

cheers

gabrielvra · Post by **gabrielvra** » Thu Apr 28, 2005 2:01 pm

I was reading this topic, and then it came to my mind. Is there a way to run Timeworks plugins in SCOPe with a generic way? Sorry people, but i had to ask?

I run timeworks plugins in DX mode.

About reverbs. i like creamware's master verbs series. Of course, there is a lot of reverbs kinds out there, and each one "does different things", or works for differents things.....I also like Wave's IR 1 ... and I'm looking forward for a UAD1 and the Dreamverb thing..

beerbr · Post by **beerbr** » Thu Apr 28, 2005 2:43 pm

On 2005-04-28 15:01, gabrielvra wrote:
I was reading this topic, and then it came to my mind. Is there a way to run Timeworks plugins in SCOPe with a generic way? Sorry people, but i had to ask?
I run timeworks plugins in DX mode.

About reverbs. i like creamware's master verbs series. Of course, there is a lot of reverbs kinds out there, and each one "does different things", or works for differents things.....I also like Wave's IR 1 ... and I'm looking forward for a UAD1 and the Dreamverb thing..

I think you're talking about different things. There are 3 different timeworks reverb now in SCOPE Platform and they sound so good (even comparable to Lexicon). It's true that timeworks release DX reverb plugins but it IS TOTALLY DIFFERENT reverb sound than in Scope Platform.

the 3 Scope Platform reverb from timeworks is..

1. Timeworks 4080L (Hall)
2. Timeworks P100 (Plate)
3. Timeworks A100 (Ambience)

astroman · Post by **astroman** » Thu Apr 28, 2005 2:50 pm

yeah, not all reverbs are created equal, fortunately

I also like the MasterVerb as good-sounding and resource effective, but also my SPX90 and Celmo's TapeReverb emulation.
Then I have an old EarlyFirst 2016 of which I dunno if it's related to the the identically numbered Princton thing I once demoed.
Liked it very much for a native reverb, first of all the amazingly effective way the knobs operate

Not to forget the 'newer' Timeworks reverbs by Warp69 (Plate, ChorusDelay, Ambience and Inverse) - for a price that (has to) make one blush...
The most precise in algorithmic verbs I've heard, and a total miracle why not every owner of at least 6 Sharcs got his copy of at least one version

anxiously awaiting the hall and concert algorithms, but if one of those small 30khz Lexicons LXP1,5 or Alex comes along for a good price I probably wouldn't refuse that, too...

cheers, Tom (gearslut ?)

RoonSmits · Post by **RoonSmits** » Thu Apr 28, 2005 3:04 pm

Tom,

what is it you like about the Lexicon Alex?
I just don't understand mine, it is so simple, that I just don't understan how the memeory storage and the presets work. ;-(

I like the way the MPX550 works far more.
At least here you know where you save your presets instead of 16 presets hidden behind the 16 FX types, when is what selected.

cheers
Ronald

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astroman · Post by **astroman** » Fri Apr 29, 2005 2:19 pm

nothing particular - despite (or because ?) their relatively 'low' specs the 3 Lexicons above get high ratings in usability of their sound output.
Never bothered about handling, tho

It kind of reminds me on the Orchestral Proteus, which has a similiar samplerate - I just happen to like those sounds

cheers, Tom

Lemke · Post by **Lemke** » Tue May 03, 2005 4:57 am

hello all!

the reverb problem always was critical to me. i have opportunity to compare mv pro to some of the well known units and there are my thoughts.

first of all the names of hardware units to compare:

lexicon pcm-90 (previously owned)
lexicon pcm-60 (present)
lexicon lxp-15 (present)
lexicon mpx-1 (previously owned)
lexicon reflex (present)
quantec yardstick (present)
quantec qrs (present)
sony dps v-77 (present)
eventide h-3000 (present)
roland re-501 (additional spring, present)

to me the closest sounding reverb to mvpro is the one from eventide. they are similar in color and character of ringing in high frequencies.

mpx-1 and lxp-15 reverbs are very boring and cannot compare. maybe mpx-1 is somewhat deeper sounding than mvpro, but less musical.

pcm-90 to my pesonal taste is dirty (don't beat me for that!), i tried to live with it when everybody told me that 90 is good unit,
but finally sold it.

quantecs are standing for so called realistic reverberation. they are good but yardstick in particular is not very musical and i think i'll keep only the qrs which is more interesting (but very unreliable).

and finally the favorites:

pcm60 sounds magically! it's a bit springy but SWEET and dense. very open sounding not being annoying. think eighties

sony dps v-77. ringy for synthesisers and drums, but very good for guitar and vox.
very unusual combined fx (reverb + mod) can be created

reflex - ultra cheap, somewhat noisy but the reverb algorithm is in high league - deep and warm. i have information that it is identical to pcm70's.

re-501 (chorus echo) internal spring - a kind of sound impossible on digital unit. ringy, very pchychedelic and spacey.

i think that creamware pro reverb is at least not worse than mpx-1 and h-3000 and closer to the second group. but don't use high COLOR settings.

i have some practical knowledge and opinion about other reverb devices:

tc m-3000 (not good to me)
lexicon 300 (higher league, but does not worth so much money)
lexicon 480 (totally different level)
tc 6000 (much higher level)

darkrezin · Post by **darkrezin** » Wed May 04, 2005 8:00 am

Fascinating post.. thanks a lot for the comparisons.

Personally I love Masterverb, it seems more 'real' than the Timeworks 4080L. However I'm lusting after the newer Timeworks/Warp69 verbs. I simply don't like reverb enough to spend big money on a high-end one, although I'd certainly love an Eventide Orville/H8000 for the other things it can do.

Post by **garyb** » Thu May 05, 2005 11:23 am

the masterverb is great. i use it. i also have been using warp69's verb heavily. in my rack are some lxp boxes and an spx90 and a dep5. all have their own flavor.

Kymeia · Post by **Kymeia** » Thu May 05, 2005 12:20 pm

To be honest I haven't found any Creamware reverb I really like yet. I'm hoping Warp's Room algo will be more promising.

astroman · Post by **astroman** » Thu May 05, 2005 12:57 pm

On 2005-05-05 13:20, Kymeia wrote:
To be honest I haven't found any Creamware reverb I really like yet. ...

to be honest I haven't bought any of the perfectly produced hiq records they play everywhere.
It's nice if there's cream on the cake, but cream only is an invitation to vomit...

cheers, Tom

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titodave · Post by **titodave** » Thu May 19, 2005 10:54 am

Hy people!
you need a behringer v verb and a line y echo pro. Great and cheap!
And i like my masterverb!