Chrysalide

eliam · Post by **eliam** » Thu Apr 14, 2005 1:34 am

This file has expired and is no longer available here. The owner of the topic can re-upload the file, or post a link to an off-site file. <a name="planetz-tag"></a>Genre: Song <a name="planetz-tag"></a>Uses: Pulsar Effects,Pulsar Mixers,Pulsar Synths copyright © Etienne Bovo2005 _____________________________________ Hi folks! It's been quite a while since my last musical entry, so here's a song that will be on my (hopefully) soon to be released record. It is entirely orchestrated with synths, mainly from Scope. I sang all the voices.

Enjoy!

emzee · Post by **emzee** » Thu Apr 14, 2005 7:15 am

You're obviusly talented. Lovely phrases and sounds. I don't understand the lyrics so can't comment on these. For me, I could see the song used in a film.

Personally, it was too long. I felt it needed distilling back to 3:30 approx. I would have liked to hear some more percussion.... perhaps some more variation in the instruments/sounds. I think it's a good song, that has the potential to be a fabulous song.... but it's not finished.

But if you're happy, stop at that. I'm not your muse. But I look forward to hearing more of your work.

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braincell · Post by **braincell** » Thu Apr 14, 2005 8:43 am

Not what I expected after your last post. I wouldn't have the harmony constantly going on the vocals and they certainly need to be taken out during the quiet part at about 3:29. That part should sound more personal. If you could sing it again in a softer tone that would be even better. I think you have a good voice but it sounds like you are hiding behind the harmony. A counter melody in the harmony would make it more interesting to listen to. The music reminds me of a circus. I don't speak french.

eliam · Post by **eliam** » Thu Apr 14, 2005 10:26 am

Thanks for taking time to listen to it and for the constructive comments!
Mikka- I made a choice about leaving the percussive side out of my music, so you won't hear any drums in my songs. I'm looking forward in bringing more nuances and changes in the course of the song. I think I have enough tracks to do it through mixing.

Braincell- I am not totally fixed on the harmonies, I did this as a trial to see how it sounds because the first version had only one voice. I'll try what you say in the chorus. Can you specify where and how you would use that "countermelody" you mention?

Thanks!

braincell · Post by **braincell** » Thu Apr 14, 2005 12:59 pm

For that you would have to experiment. That is what I always do. My point is that the harmony does not need to follow the melody and in that case you might not want words in the harmony just common singing sounds. You know what I mean.

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paulrmartin · Post by **paulrmartin** » Mon Apr 18, 2005 10:08 am

I think what Braincell means is "contre-chant".
I aggre that the harmony should not be the same throughout because it results in a lack of buildup in the song. Also, thick vocal harmonies on top of such rich orchestration sounds a bit "too much".

I hear a bit of flanging in the voices. Did you use noise reduction? Maybe if you spead the voices more over in the stereo field?

Huge project in this one song, Eliam. Love your work

King of Snake · Post by **King of Snake** » Mon Apr 18, 2005 12:47 pm

beautiful melodies! I like it a lot, so only a few points:
I agree that the harmonies troughout are a bit much maybe and it would perhaps be better to save the harmonies for a certain point or only certain phrases, use it to give accent to certain points.
Also, since there is no drums or percussion in the track, I'd mix the bass-synth a little bit louder to give it a more solid foundation.

eliam · Post by **eliam** » Mon Apr 18, 2005 1:48 pm

Hi Paul! How've you been? Thanks for taking time to listen!

Yes, I think I see the point, I'll take that in consideration to add some variety throughout the song. By contre-chant you mean another voice which does not follow the main voice, both in melody and timing?

I've been working so much on that song that I don't have the perspective to see where it's going now... I'll leave it for a couple of weeks while I work on the other pieces and hopefully improve it with fresh hears. Your comments do help me much though!

There is a chorus in one of the voices, something I tried to add a different color. Not sure I'll keep it.

I don't plan to add any drum, but I'm very careful not to add too much bass, especially because my mixing room tend to attenuate certain low frequencies. I think I'll go listen to it in a mastering facility and see from there...

Good day!

emzee · Post by **emzee** » Mon Apr 18, 2005 9:39 pm

I think traditional bluegrass doesn't use drums either, but the percussive element is picked up by the other instruments eg banjo. I personally feel most music needs a percussive element.

Edit: Wrong information re counterpoint .....see Paul below
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paulrmartin · Post by **paulrmartin** » Mon Apr 18, 2005 9:55 pm

Check this link out, Eliam:

http://membres.lycos.fr/lacle/harmoniser.html#seconde

It has the best explanation of Contre-chant I could find.

Emzee, your explanation of counterpoint is quite wrong I'm sorry to say. It's a lot more involved than what you stated. Look it up because it is indeed a fascinating subject.

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eliam · Post by **eliam** » Mon Apr 18, 2005 10:12 pm

The link doesn't seem to work here...

Post by **hubird** » Mon Apr 18, 2005 10:16 pm

it does here

paulrmartin · Post by **paulrmartin** » Tue Apr 19, 2005 2:11 am

Here too

emzee · Post by **emzee** » Tue Apr 19, 2005 7:21 am

Not here...bugger...

Post by **hubird** » Tue Apr 19, 2005 7:53 am

not working?...one consolation there is: it's in French...

[ This Message was edited by: hubird on 2005-04-19 08:59 ]

marcuspocus · Post by **marcuspocus** » Tue Apr 19, 2005 3:27 pm

What's wrong with french hubird?

Post by **hubird** » Tue Apr 19, 2005 5:33 pm

Really nothing

If you don't know French it is less bad if you can't load the site, but you understood that

emzee · Post by **emzee** » Tue Apr 19, 2005 5:59 pm

Mmmh....I've got an old bok on counterpoint round here. I did peruse it once....rhythmic etc I better read it again. Thanks Paul!

paulrmartin · Post by **paulrmartin** » Tue Apr 19, 2005 6:23 pm

Hubird, the reason why I posted a french site is not only because it's the best explanation of contre-chant I could find but also Eliam is french speaking.

I copy-pasted and sent the page to him.

All those who can't read french can paste the link into Babelfish translator.

Post by **hubird** » Tue Apr 19, 2005 7:36 pm

thanks for explanation, makes really sense

Since a long time I think it would be nice to know in what country people live.
From time to time it seems to be usefull -and nice- to know that.
I would like it if John would implement it on planetz' profiles as obliged...what you guys think?

(how long is it funny to know that one comes from universe, outerspace, milky way, cloud9, my mind, your mind, the future, planet world or mother's womb?)

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