PC hangs up when working with audio!! Please help ):

Amitos · Post by **Amitos** » Wed Dec 22, 2004 10:45 am

For about a month I am trying to resolve my new computer's problem.
I took my old luna card from my previous computer, and bought a new computer that include:

intel P4 processor - 3Gb
Gigabyte M-Board with TONS of on-board devices such as: 6 USB's inputs, Realtec AC97 sound device, AGP display adapter, LAN device.

Luna is my soundcard.

the problem is that when I work with XP, or 2000, after a short while the PC hangs up and I must restart my computer.
sometimes I get to reach the windows task manager, but when I try to terminate some app's everithing gets stuck and again I have to restart.

Event log shows nothing.

I have asked a pro what is it all about and he told me that having this kind of "all-in" Mother board is not recommended at all in the music PC's world.

then I've tried to disable all the features, and use a different display adapter, but still no improvment.

Any of you geniuses can help me solve the mystery and lead me to the desired solution?

By the way- in win98 it doesnt happen!!!! though there are crackels all the time with audio files... wierd- I use VST's in 7 channles, that requiers lots of memory and resources, and no crackels. but when playing a single track of an audio file, crackels sounds.

Thanks

Post by **garyb** » Wed Dec 22, 2004 1:45 pm

what are all your irqs?(look in programsaccessoriessystem toolssystem information) what is luna sharing with?

Amitos · Post by **Amitos** » Wed Dec 22, 2004 1:54 pm

No conflicts with DSP creamware board.
there is alot of other conflicts though. but anyway the problem occurs just when I work with audio....

valis · Post by **valis** » Wed Dec 22, 2004 8:32 pm

Go into your system BIOS and start disabling everything you don't use (serial ports, parallel, ac97 audio, any unused usb ports etc).

Amitos · Post by **Amitos** » Thu Dec 23, 2004 3:21 am

I have disabled all the onboard devices, and still it stucks. I even added a Geforce card that I had and used it instead of the onboarded one.

one thing I could'nt do in the bios, and might related to the problem is to disable the AGP onboard display adapter. I just could'nt find anything related to AGP or VGA....

how can it be?.. I think that there are still some configurations made in XP that use the onboard resources....
reinstalling XP will help?
do you know a different name for this graphic adapter? or maybe there is no option to do so..

thanks.

Post by **garyb** » Thu Dec 23, 2004 3:45 am

the easiest solution is an intel d865perl, under $100 and stable(the basic model).
onboard video, yeeesh...there really must be a graphics choice(agp or pci) in the bios....

Amitos · Post by **Amitos** » Thu Dec 23, 2004 9:52 am

Well, I'm not planning on buying a new mother board, not at this time...

and man I can swear I couldnt find any option even related to agp...

except maybe for something look like
AGP/PCI/SRC that is set to 33/66/something...

I can try disable it..
what do you say?

Post by **garyb** » Thu Dec 23, 2004 1:13 pm

i can't say.

about $90 is a small price to pay to fix your mistake after all you've spent, i just want to see you happy.

if you really want to mess with this board, i'm sure it can be made to work, but first, how about giving the actual model number so that i can try to look up the documentation on the bios?

Amitos · Post by **Amitos** » Thu Dec 23, 2004 6:23 pm

Of course!!!

my m board is Gigabyte tech. 2004 edition model GA-8IG1000-G.

thank you mister god.

Post by **hubird** » Thu Dec 23, 2004 6:50 pm

Garyb God that's something

Post by **Guest** » Thu Dec 23, 2004 7:05 pm

for help to come faster simply try list as much info about your system as you can

List your IRQ's
List what you disable in the bios
also if you did some tweaks in XP.

this is an ALL-IN-ONE mainboard.
Lots to disable.

Model GA-8IG1000-G
CPU Type Socket 478
FSB 800/533/400 MHz
Chipset Intel 865G
Memory type DDR 400/333/266
Memory socket DDR*4 (dual channel)
Max. Memory 4 GB
Graphics interface AGP 8X*1
PCI-Express X16 (X8)
PCI-Express X1 (X2,X4)
PCI 5
ISA slot 0
AMR/CNR 0/0
VGA Integrated
RAID Function N/A
LAN Marvell 8001(GbE)
Audio Realtek ALC850
Codec channel 8
IDE ATA 2*Serial ATA, 2*PATA
USB 1.1 Same as USB2.0
USB 2.0 8 (4 by cable)
DualBIOS N/A
PCB size 30.5 X 23.0 CM
Form Factor ATX
IEEE 1394 N/A
Remark

Post by **garyb** » Thu Dec 23, 2004 11:35 pm

wow, a very bad choice...bigger is not always better. i think you will have lots of trouble setting this one up.

as far as i can see, installing a vga card, bypasses the on board video, but maybe not completely. also, the video card MUST be 1.5vlt agp4x/8x.

you need to disable EVERYTHING you are not using(most of the mobo). i suggest:
PCI-Express X16 (X8)
PCI-Express X1 (X2,X4)
ISA slot 0
AMR/CNR 0/0
VGA Integrated
RAID Function N/A
LAN Marvell 8001(GbE)
Audio Realtek ALC850
USB 2.0
IEEE 1394 N/A
SERIAL PORT
PARALLEL PORT

Amitos · Post by **Amitos** » Fri Dec 24, 2004 9:37 am

Ok..
List of IRQ's in XP (it's quite frightening):

IRQ 0 System timer
IRQ 1 Standard 101/102-Key or Microsoft Natural PS/2 Keyboard
IRQ 3 Built-in Infrared Device
IRQ 5 Multimedia Video Controller
IRQ 6 Standard floppy disk controller
IRQ 8 System CMOS/real time clock
IRQ 9 Microsoft ACPI-Compliant System
IRQ 9 Intel(R) 82801EB SMBus Controller - 24D3
IRQ 12 PS/2 Compatible Mouse
IRQ 13 Numeric data processor
IRQ 14 Primary IDE Channel
IRQ 15 Secondary IDE Channel
IRQ 16 NVIDIA GeForce FX 5200
IRQ 20 Marvell Yukon Gigabit Ethernet 10/100/1000Base-T Adapter, Copper RJ-45
IRQ 21 Creamware DSP-Board

And now, the conflicts! :

-Memory Address 0xF0000000-0xF7FFFFFF Intel(R) 82865G/PE/P/GV/82848P Processor to AGP Controller - 2571
-Memory Address 0xF0000000-0xF7FFFFFF NVIDIA GeForce FX 5200

-I/O Port 0x00000000-0x00000CF7 PCI bus
-I/O Port 0x00000000-0x00000CF7 Direct memory access controller

-I/O Port 0x000003C0-0x000003DF Intel(R) 82865G/PE/P/GV/82848P Processor to AGP Controller - 2571
-I/O Port 0x000003C0-0x000003DF NVIDIA GeForce FX 5200

-Memory Address 0xA0000-0xBFFFF PCI bus
-Memory Address 0xA0000-0xBFFFF Intel(R) 82865G/PE/P/GV/82848P Processor to AGP Controller - 2571
-Memory Address 0xA0000-0xBFFFF NVIDIA GeForce FX 5200

-I/O Port 0x00001400-0x0000FFFF PCI bus
-I/O Port 0x00001400-0x0000FFFF Intel(R) 82801EB SMBus Controller - 24D3

-I/O Port 0x000003B0-0x000003BB Intel(R) 82865G/PE/P/GV/82848P Processor to AGP Controller - 2571
-I/O Port 0x000003B0-0x000003BB NVIDIA GeForce FX 5200

-Memory Address 0xF8000000-0xF9FFFFFF Intel(R) 82865G/PE/P/GV/82848P Processor to AGP Controller - 2571
-Memory Address 0xF8000000-0xF9FFFFFF NVIDIA GeForce FX 5200

Disabled list:

Floppy 3 mode support
CPU Hyper-Threading
On-chip SATA
USB controller
AC97 audio
onboard H/W LAN
onboard serial port
onboard parallel port
game port address
midi port address
cir port address.

thats all folks...

Amitos · Post by **Amitos** » Fri Dec 24, 2004 9:39 am

Oops, dont refer to IRQ 20.... humen error...

Post by **garyb** » Fri Dec 24, 2004 3:22 pm

doesn't look too bad.... have you tried switching pci slots? the cw card is on a virtual irq and there could be a conflict at a lower level that isn't showing....

are those memory addresses showing as shared or conflicting?

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Post by **Guest** » Fri Dec 24, 2004 3:51 pm

try giving the card IRQ 10 or 11

Amitos · Post by **Amitos** » Fri Dec 24, 2004 11:25 pm

It is under the conflicts option so I think the memory addreses are conlicting...

at the boot procces there is a table that shows IRQ's. the multimedia device has it's one & only IRQ...

anyway how can I set the irq for 10 or 11?

Post by **garyb** » Sat Dec 25, 2004 12:21 am

well, memory conflicts will CERTAINLY cause lock ups. you spent to much on scope to have less than $100 hold you hostage. get another mobo and make things easy....

those memory conflicts seem to be between the vid card and the onboard video. that motherboard was not meant for the purpose you are putting it to(using a minivan for a sports car rally), and it is giving you grief. i suspect you'd get better performance from the onboard video than agp, although that would probably cause pci overflows with reverbs or heavy projects. this is the disadvantage to having lots of choices, it's easier to make bad ones. at least you get to learn something about the machines you use....

Amitos · Post by **Amitos** » Sat Dec 25, 2004 7:17 am

The hole problem had started when I used the onboard vid card.. so I think the performance wont be better.

I know that it was a very bad choice to have this mobo now... its just that I consulted pepole who did'nt knew enough about PCs for music....

depression....

still there's no way to fix the problem? I dont wanna start buying a hole new mobo now..

by the way - Thanx for the help.....

dbmac · Post by **dbmac** » Sat Dec 25, 2004 10:35 am

Why don't you start by disbling the on-board video and using your "AGP display adapter" ?

Oh, and merry xmas.

/dave