New computer-clicks,pops,crashes...

darkstar · Post by **darkstar** » Tue Jul 27, 2004 5:31 pm

Hello everyone,
This is my configuration:

p4 3.0 box
ASUS P4C800E-deluxe
1 gb ddr
luna2,sfp3.1
hd 80 gb
geforce 4 mx440

And I have big problems with this setup

First of all,performance in cubase after 4-5 effects jumps to 70% or higher,then computer can work for 15 minutes,and then CRASH...or restart

.I tried to play some games,and there were no crashes or restarts.
Then,if I open sfp and then cubase,I have cpu spikes.I know about that denormalization plug-in,but still,I think that it won't be of any use for me.If I close sfp and then start cubase as a master,no spikes,but still I got crashes.
After 80% of performance I get clicks pops..
Guys,PLEASE,if somebody have similar or same setup,can you write to muzickimag@yahoo.com because I urgently need help with this...I installed it twice already,and no results.Oh,yes,I am using xp sp1.
I saw this setup in action in one of local studios,and it amazed me with speed(I saw they can have about 100 audio channels WITH effects running real time),but my setup cannot run 30 channels with effects

Guys that are working there are pretty busy,so I can't get any help from them.
Thanks
Best regards

darkstar · Post by **darkstar** » Tue Jul 27, 2004 6:15 pm

I forgot:
Can somebody explain me why under winxp 24 bit is greyed in control panel for my Luna 2?I loaded in sfp "basic cubase project" that I downloaded from planetz,because I don't know much about those connections in sfp window,and cubase says that it receives 24 bit signal...but is this true 24 bit?
Any solution?
Thanks

kensuguro · Post by **kensuguro** » Tue Jul 27, 2004 7:10 pm

I use P4C800 standard, and from my experience, you need to turn off hyperthread, and install windows in uniprocessor mode. That solved all problems for me. Turning off HT didn't have much of a performance hit so you dont' have to worry about that. Just get rid of the damn thing. (in bios and reinstall windows)

About 24 bit, just use the proper ASIO i/o module in the sfp project. You find them under "Software IOs" menu item in your routing window.

[ This Message was edited by: kensuguro on 2004-07-27 20:12 ]

Post by **garyb** » Tue Jul 27, 2004 7:21 pm

yes, it's true 24bit. i'd say ken's suggestions are right on.

darkstar · Post by **darkstar** » Tue Jul 27, 2004 7:24 pm

Thanks for replies,
How to install in uniprocessor mode?That isn't multiprocessor mode,isn't it?Because right now I can see two 3.0ghz processors in control panel,and I can turn on multiprocessing in cubase,that results in lower performance.
I know about 24 bit module in sfp,but which one?There are asio 1,asio 2 and many of them..
SHould I use cubase in sfp or xtc mode?
Thanks guys

blazesboylan · Post by **blazesboylan** » Tue Jul 27, 2004 7:32 pm

XTC is a preference thing (and I personally prefer not to use it).

24 bit: go with ASIO 2 as long as your sequencer supports it. You can get up to 64 channels in / 64 channels out of 24 bit ASIO via the "ASIO2 - 32 64 Source" module, along with the "ASIO2 64 Dest" module.

As for 100 channels of 24 bit audio on a Luna card... Hmmm... Unlikely I would say.

Cheers + good luck!

darkstar · Post by **darkstar** » Tue Jul 27, 2004 8:17 pm

No,they are using yamaha dsp factory,but when I said EFFECTS,I mean vst plugins,not luna effects.
Personally,I never used Luna effects...I just think that they are not competitive to vst effects.
Can somebody explain me,how can I use 32 in&outs on luna,if I just have one input and one output on my card...and don't have breakout box?I can't understand that,all sfp is very strange for me...
Thanks,sorry for my dumb questions.

I want to say few things here...I am user from Serbia and Montenegro,and I can say that Luna 2 is very popular here along musicians.Luna is very popular because of it's low-cost and high-quality sound along Belgrade studio's.Creamware support is great for me,I received email in one hour,together with pdf's how to optimize my computer for audio...and ofcourse,they recommended me planetz,which I visit since first day of luna arrival.Planetz is biggest help for me,and for any musician that is starting with cw.

So,thanks again,and keep up good work,
Best regards
Mirko

blazesboylan · Post by **blazesboylan** » Tue Jul 27, 2004 11:33 pm

Dobro veche Mirko.

Personally,I never used Luna effects...I just think that they are not competitive to vst effects.

Opposite for me. I prefer SFP delay, flanger, chorus. Don't like the SFP reverbs though.

Also SFP dynamics and EQ are lovely, if you consider those "effects".

I don't have any expensive VST plugs, though. Stock ones generally suck IMHO.

Can somebody explain me,how can I use 32 in&outs on luna,if I just have one input and one output on my card...and don't have breakout box?

Buy a breakout box!

Buy 2 A16 Ultras and you'll have 32 ins + 32 outs for an incredibly cheap price. Someone bragged to me on another board that they got 24 channels of good-sounding A-D / D-A from a MOTU HD192... for only $4000 Canadian (~ $3000 USD). Ha ha ha. I still can't believe how cheap CWA is.

Incidentally the noise floor on the A16 Ultras (and any decent external unit, for that matter) is significantly lower than for the Analog in / out.

Buy a breakout box ASAP.

Cheers,

Johann

darkstar · Post by **darkstar** » Wed Jul 28, 2004 6:24 am

Dobar dan

I don't have money for breakout box right now,but I don't need it.I am recording just keyboards,vocals and guitars right now,so I just move my keyboard cables to the joemeek mq3 which I use for guitars and vocals.I know that breakout box is cool thing,but it will wait some time

Nobody answered me how to install in uniprocessor mode,and do I need to do that?I will shut ht off,format c: and try to install again all...and will post here what happens.

Thanks guys,
Best regards
Mirko

Post by **garyb** » Wed Jul 28, 2004 1:02 pm

if you do a reinstall like that, it will be in uniprocessor mode...

darkstar · Post by **darkstar** » Wed Jul 28, 2004 4:27 pm

All reinstalled,but same thing again....on 20 audio channels,I already got 70% of performance in cubase,and I am using just magneto on each channel,and 2 SIR's....
I am pissed off...
Btw,no difference between uni and multiprocessor...same performance...when in multiprocessor mode,after checking multiprocessing in cubase,there is 4% decrease in performance...
hyperthreading on/off--same results.sameperformance.
But there are no more freezes...for now.I don't understand what is wrong,I installed latest aspi drivers...I have a feeling that this is happens due to bad settings in bios...anybody with same mobo?Asus p4c800e-deluxe?
Another thing...very stupid question-how can I check is there any bad sectors on my hard drive in xp?I know about disk checker,but WHERE I can read is there bad sectors?Where is log file created?Maybe hard drive have bad sectors,I just can't imagine what is wrong with my machine,it supposed to be a TIGER but it's just CAT for now...

))
Best regards

BingoTheClowno · Post by **BingoTheClowno** » Wed Jul 28, 2004 4:40 pm

Right click on the drive you want to check, choose properties->tools->error-checking->CheckNow. If it's your system drive (where Windoes is installed), a disk check will be scheduled the next boot time (you'll have to reboot).

darkstar · Post by **darkstar** » Wed Jul 28, 2004 4:44 pm

I know that,but WHERE can I read if it have bad sectors?When scanning is done,it is just too fast to read is there any bad sectors?
thanks

BingoTheClowno · Post by **BingoTheClowno** » Wed Jul 28, 2004 5:03 pm

When Autochk runs against a volume at boot time it records its output to a file called Bootex.log in the root of the volume being checked...

http://support.microsoft.com/default.as ... -US;218461

However I don't know which utility is called, Autochk or Chkntfs, when you click the CheckError button.

darkstar · Post by **darkstar** » Thu Jul 29, 2004 5:42 pm

I just think that I have bad settings...
Anyway,my Luna is on pci 1(first after agp),in bios 1394 is disabled,raid is disabled(I have only one hdd),onboard audio is disabled,ht is enabled,I am running multiprocessor acpi...and I have very very high performance on 4 audio channels with basic magneto and reverb on them,and 2 vst,battery and b4....my vst performance in cubase sx2 is about 40%,and I think that is MUCH!
So,what I am doing wrong?
Thanks

BingoTheClowno · Post by **BingoTheClowno** » Thu Jul 29, 2004 5:48 pm

First PCI slot next to AGP is not a good place to put a CW card. That is typically shared with the video card.

Things to try:
1. Move the card to another slot.
2. Disable ACPI in BIOS, load Multiprocessor PC (not Multiprocessor ACPI). Don't do this if you don't disable it from BIOS first!!!
3. Lower ULLI settings.
4. Check your PCI Latency setting.

[ This Message was edited by: BingoTheClowno on 2004-07-29 18:53 ]

darkstar · Post by **darkstar** » Thu Jul 29, 2004 6:03 pm

Thanks,I will try that tonight.My Luna latency is on lowest-24 sec all time

I understand about acpi,but where is it in bios?I know there is APIC 2.0 support?Second,Pci latency is in bios,right?I think it is...35?(maybe I'm wrong,I don't recall).If it is in bios,what settings you prefer??
Thanks again man...

[ This Message was edited by: darkstar on 2004-07-29 19:05 ]

BingoTheClowno · Post by **BingoTheClowno** » Thu Jul 29, 2004 6:25 pm

ACPI support, that's it!
Latency is in the BIOS also, you could tweak that and see what happens.

[ This Message was edited by: BingoTheClowno on 2004-07-29 19:32 ]

darkstar · Post by **darkstar** » Thu Jul 29, 2004 6:36 pm

Will do!
I will post here is there any improvements first thing in the morning.
thanks!
Hope this will solve the problem.

astroman · Post by **astroman** » Thu Jul 29, 2004 6:56 pm

On 2004-07-28 17:27, darkstar wrote:
All reinstalled,but same thing again....on 20 audio channels,I already got 70% of performance in cubase,and I am using just magneto on each channel,and 2 SIR's....
I am pissed off...

before you tweak to death - just leave out the 2 convolution verbs and see what happens.
I don't have any experience with them, but such stuff is considered a huge CPU hog - and it's load might be measured incorrectly.

good luck, Tom