This file has expired and is no longer available here. The owner of the topic can re-upload the file, or post a link to an off-site file. <BR><BR><a name="planetz-tag"></a>Genre: just listen<BR> <a name="planetz-tag"></a>Uses: Pulsar Effects,Pulsar Mixers<BR> copyright © 2004 SideWalkPoets<BR> _____________________________________<BR><BR> hi all
this is my first recording project, recorded with sfp. cause i've never studied music and it's only a hobby for me, i'd like to have some feedback concerning the overall mix, quality, and of course if you like that kind of music.
btw, it's a new little swiss band, the member are only 20 jears old, and called SideWalkPoets. We recorded 6 songs for a demo cd... if you like to hear more, just ask...
enjoy
katano
SWP - More Is Less I Guess
I will not critique the band, here are my production comments:
It all sounds a little bit muffled, like the very top end has been shaved off of everything (except the guitar). Perhaps your monitors are artificially bright and you are over compensating for this. What kind of microphones are you using?
The mix volume balance isn't bad, maybe the vox are just a touch up front, but that's better than having them buried. I'd like to hear a bit more guitar in the verses, but not much.
The drums lack punch. I think a little more attention to eq so that you don't have that lower mid "mud", it's all about the balance between the Bass low-mids and the guitar mids. I think they are maybe fighting for the same place in the mix as some of the drum frequncies, which affects the kick and snare clarity. Try a 3 dB boost around 4K (very narrow Q)on the kick and maybe a little boost at 1-2.5 on the snare (actually I would tune the snare higher to get more snap). 2-3 dB cut on the bass around 400 to 800, and roll off the guitar a bit below 400 as well. These are all subtle adjustments, but they will make a difference.
But then, what do I know?
Please return the favor and reveiw my posted songs!
R
<font size=-1>[ This Message was edited by: nprime on 2004-07-08 14:56 ]</font>
It all sounds a little bit muffled, like the very top end has been shaved off of everything (except the guitar). Perhaps your monitors are artificially bright and you are over compensating for this. What kind of microphones are you using?
The mix volume balance isn't bad, maybe the vox are just a touch up front, but that's better than having them buried. I'd like to hear a bit more guitar in the verses, but not much.
The drums lack punch. I think a little more attention to eq so that you don't have that lower mid "mud", it's all about the balance between the Bass low-mids and the guitar mids. I think they are maybe fighting for the same place in the mix as some of the drum frequncies, which affects the kick and snare clarity. Try a 3 dB boost around 4K (very narrow Q)on the kick and maybe a little boost at 1-2.5 on the snare (actually I would tune the snare higher to get more snap). 2-3 dB cut on the bass around 400 to 800, and roll off the guitar a bit below 400 as well. These are all subtle adjustments, but they will make a difference.
But then, what do I know?
Please return the favor and reveiw my posted songs!
R
<font size=-1>[ This Message was edited by: nprime on 2004-07-08 14:56 ]</font>
hi nprime
thanx for commenting and the eq info. i'll try this next mixing time. to be honest, i didn't any equing for this song. i just took the same settings like the other songs (also posted here). you can have a look at, if you want. just search for posts beginning with "SWP".
i totally agree, muffled is the right description. i really have problems to mix the distorted guitar parts. in the most other songs i posted, no hard distorted gitars are used. and the problem with the "fighting" is not as big as in this song.
and yes, the drums lack punch. what is the best way to mix drums if you have a slow part and a hard part in the song? do i have to find a compromise or shall i mix it each part for itself (and use automation)?
questions over questions...
here's my mik setup:
drums: shure beta91 (bassdrum), sennheiser e-604 (toms top, snare top and bottom), beyerdynamic mce530 (overheads and hihat)
bass: direct out from roland cube-30 bass
acoustic guitars: takamine limited 2000 trough DI and miked with audix cx-211 studio condenser
e-guitars: line6 flextone III xlr-stereo direct outs with md421 simulation. then miked with shure sm57, sennheiser e-609, audix cx-211 as room mik (all mixed together, sm57 left, e-609 right, audix middle)
vocals: audix cx-211 studio condenser
thanx again, your comment was very helpfull!!
greez
katano
<font size=-1>[ This Message was edited by: katano on 2004-07-08 19:07 ]</font>
thanx for commenting and the eq info. i'll try this next mixing time. to be honest, i didn't any equing for this song. i just took the same settings like the other songs (also posted here). you can have a look at, if you want. just search for posts beginning with "SWP".
i totally agree, muffled is the right description. i really have problems to mix the distorted guitar parts. in the most other songs i posted, no hard distorted gitars are used. and the problem with the "fighting" is not as big as in this song.
and yes, the drums lack punch. what is the best way to mix drums if you have a slow part and a hard part in the song? do i have to find a compromise or shall i mix it each part for itself (and use automation)?
questions over questions...
here's my mik setup:
drums: shure beta91 (bassdrum), sennheiser e-604 (toms top, snare top and bottom), beyerdynamic mce530 (overheads and hihat)
bass: direct out from roland cube-30 bass
acoustic guitars: takamine limited 2000 trough DI and miked with audix cx-211 studio condenser
e-guitars: line6 flextone III xlr-stereo direct outs with md421 simulation. then miked with shure sm57, sennheiser e-609, audix cx-211 as room mik (all mixed together, sm57 left, e-609 right, audix middle)
vocals: audix cx-211 studio condenser
thanx again, your comment was very helpfull!!
greez
katano
<font size=-1>[ This Message was edited by: katano on 2004-07-08 19:07 ]</font>
It's true that MP3 conversion does horrible things to sound files. It would be nice to hear the actual wave files... it could be that many of my criticisms are the result of MP3 encoding artifacts.
Send me a CD? I'd be happy to listen to it as it was meant to be heard.
However, in defense of my complaint about insufficient top end; I am comparing it to other songs that are posted here, none of which bothered me in that department at all, so...
R
<font size=-1>[ This Message was edited by: nprime on 2004-07-08 20:33 ]</font>
Send me a CD? I'd be happy to listen to it as it was meant to be heard.
However, in defense of my complaint about insufficient top end; I am comparing it to other songs that are posted here, none of which bothered me in that department at all, so...
R
<font size=-1>[ This Message was edited by: nprime on 2004-07-08 20:33 ]</font>
It all starts to become personal preferences now. The big guitar at the start sounds like it has flanging on it which I don't like much (but that's just me). I'm not sure if this is because you've delayed right to left or not. During the verse the guitar chugs along nicely.
Great vocalist btw. What mic are you using on her?
Still love that big fat snare too!
Where are you rolling off the low end?
Are you doing it to each indiviual instrument ?
Great vocalist btw. What mic are you using on her?
Still love that big fat snare too!
Where are you rolling off the low end?
Are you doing it to each indiviual instrument ?
hi stu.
the guitar sound at the beginning was choosen by the guitar player, and of course it's personal taste.
mic for vocals is audix cx-211 large diaphragm studio condenser, got it for 250 USD, list price was around 650 bugs... was a rest sale i also used the same mik for acoustic guitars
i did low end roll of for:
bassdrum at 35hz
bass at 60 hz
e-guitar around 90 hz
that's it
greez
katano
the guitar sound at the beginning was choosen by the guitar player, and of course it's personal taste.
mic for vocals is audix cx-211 large diaphragm studio condenser, got it for 250 USD, list price was around 650 bugs... was a rest sale
i also used the same mik for acoustic guitarsi did low end roll of for:
bassdrum at 35hz
bass at 60 hz
e-guitar around 90 hz
that's it
greez
katano
and once again i forgot at least 50%:
snare roll of 120hz (i'm not shure, but shure i did a roll of to prevent overspeaking from the bassdrum)
hihat roll of (can't remember where)
overhead roll of (can't remember, too, but shure above 1000hz)
greez
katano
<font size=-1>[ This Message was edited by: katano on 2004-07-10 11:29 ]</font>
snare roll of 120hz (i'm not shure, but shure i did a roll of to prevent overspeaking from the bassdrum)
hihat roll of (can't remember where)
overhead roll of (can't remember, too, but shure above 1000hz)
greez
katano
<font size=-1>[ This Message was edited by: katano on 2004-07-10 11:29 ]</font>