2001 Space Odysee

ChrisWerner · Post by **ChrisWerner** » Thu Jun 17, 2004 4:28 pm

The movie has just started in german TV, ZDF.
It was a surprise for me, I don´t watch many TV. Today I would watch the news only, but then the movie start. It´s a sooo long time that I have seen this movie.
The soundtrack is really cool and I like the choir work and the whole athmosphere of this movie.
At the moment the apes found the black quader (Monolith) and learn how to use bones as weapons.
Ah, this will be a nice evening.

Music of Richard Strauss in space, simply nice.

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Mr Arkadin · Post by **Mr Arkadin** » Thu Jun 17, 2004 4:36 pm

i hope it's in widescreen and not pan & scan. Definitely in my top ten films of all time - first saw it when i was 14 and was a bit confused. Now it makes total sense

For Brits the funniest bit is seeing Leonard Rossiter as a Russian scientist

ChrisWerner · Post by **ChrisWerner** » Thu Jun 17, 2004 4:42 pm

On 2004-06-17 17:36, Mr Arkadin wrote:
For Brits the funniest bit is seeing Leonard Rossiter as a Russian scientist

This movie is amazing, they have TV telephones, you can have a talk from a starbase to earth for only, $1.70.
Also I´m surprised by the clothing of the people. They are up to date...lol

Spirit · Post by **Spirit** » Thu Jun 17, 2004 5:30 pm

Only a couple of things betray it's age: the packaging on the peas, carrots etc on the food packs on the Moon shuttle, and the intro sequence to "BBC12" news.

A superb movie. I've watched it sooo many times.

One of my favourite sequences i the initial shots of the main spacecraft and "Dave" running around the deck as "Gayane's Adagio" plays. So sweet and stark. The combination of not-so-obvious elements and the mood they produce is simply brilliant.

I also heard that the music was actually just "filler" material while waiting for a commissioned sountrack, but that the soundtrack was rejected, so the "filler" music stayed in place. Don't know whether this is true or not though...

Mr Arkadin · Post by **Mr Arkadin** » Thu Jun 17, 2004 5:46 pm

I also heard that the music was actually just "filler" material while waiting for a commissioned sountrack, but that the soundtrack was rejected, so the "filler" music stayed in place. Don't know whether this is true or not though...

Kubrick used 'temp' tracks by Ligeti, Strauss (Richard & Johann)etc. whilst cutting the film and had Alex North on hand writing an original score based on these moods and tempi; North even composed an alternate Also Sprach Zarathustra and Blue Danube. Unfortunately for North Kubrick had fallen in love with the 'temp' tracks and the first he knew of his music being dropped was at the film's premier (allegedly - this may be North creating a myth).

The score is available on CD and personally i found it a little weak compared to the actual music used - Kubrick made he right choice.

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ChrisWerner · Post by **ChrisWerner** » Thu Jun 17, 2004 6:14 pm

Man this is a marvelous trip.
Yes, Ligeti must be responseable for the choir work.
On the SoV CDs there are some similar Ligeti choir sounds.
I know what music I´ll do tomorrow. hehe.

Nisse · Post by **Nisse** » Thu Jun 17, 2004 7:24 pm

Its a decent movie, but they really dont do the books justice. Ive read the entire Odyssey series and its quite simply marvellous. My personal favourite is the final book - 3001. There you get Clarkes huge vision of the history of the galaxy, and the origin of the monoliths.
Its grand.

scary808 · Post by **scary808** » Thu Jun 17, 2004 11:30 pm

On 2004-06-17 19:14, ChrisWerner wrote:

Yes, Ligeti must be responseable for the choir work.

I believe you are correct sir! Freaky-genius stuff for sure!

Another incredible film along the same(ish) lines is the original Russian Solaris. I believe the director's name is Tartovsky(?). The remake is alright but not monumental like the original. Also from what I've been told is the author who wrote the novel which Solaris is based on wrote other novels in six or seven other langauges. Genius in itself.

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Ben Walker · Post by **Ben Walker** » Fri Jun 18, 2004 3:03 am

The director was Andrei Tarkovsky.
The author is Stanislav Lem, whose Sci-Fi novels are like none other I've ever read. An absolute genius.

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Post by **garyb** » Fri Jun 18, 2004 4:26 am

yes, solaris was really something. the remake was kinda sorry.....

samplaire · Post by **samplaire** » Fri Jun 18, 2004 5:22 am

On 2004-06-18 04:03, Ben Walker wrote:
The author is Stanislav Lem

He comes from my country

samplaire · Post by **samplaire** » Fri Jun 18, 2004 5:25 am

Kubrick - recently I saw "Eyes wide closed" and was amazed! Especially by the minimalistic music - only some notes played on a piano!!!!! And the devilish reverse sang song!!!!!!!!!!!! The song makes me crazy like a hungry dog seeing a sausage!!!!!!!!!

paulrmartin · Post by **paulrmartin** » Fri Jun 18, 2004 6:32 am

On 2004-06-17 19:14, ChrisWerner wrote:

Yes, Ligeti must be responsable for the choir work.

The choir music is from Ligeti's Lux Aeterna and also his Requiem.

I know what music I´ll do tomorrow. hehe

Nothing can be simpler. In the case of Lux Aeterna, Ligeti started on F# below middle C, sung by the altos. Then he chromatically stacked the voices moving one alto down to F-natural and an other up to G. That piece is scored for 3 of each of the four parts in a choir(SATB) which gave Ligeti the opportunity of having a full octave stack of semi-tones.

Let us hear what you come up with, Chris.

ChrisWerner · Post by **ChrisWerner** » Fri Jun 18, 2004 7:09 am

Thanks for the details, Paul.
Yes, there will be a new space track out soon.

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scary808 · Post by **scary808** » Fri Jun 18, 2004 12:53 pm

On 2004-06-18 06:25, samplaire wrote:
Especially by the minimalistic music - only some notes played on a piano...

If I'm not mistaken, that is Ligeti as well!

paulrmartin · Post by **paulrmartin** » Fri Jun 18, 2004 2:43 pm

On 2004-06-18 13:53, scary808 wrote:
On 2004-06-18 06:25, samplaire wrote:
Especially by the minimalistic music - only some notes played on a piano...
If I'm not mistaken, that is Ligeti as well!

You're right, scary. It's Ligeti's Musica Ricercata you hear in "Eyes wide shut".

King of Snake · Post by **King of Snake** » Sat Jun 19, 2004 8:53 am

ah yes, Space Odyssey, what a marvelous film. But it must be strange to have the overdubbed german voices! What does HAL say in german when he says "I'm afraid I can't do that Dave"?

"Es tut mir Leid, das kann ich nicht machen Dave"?

Hehehehe, ah well, I have the DVD so I can choose which language to use

btw. does anyone know if there are any decent DVD's of Kubrick's films? All I've found so far is these kinda cheap releases with a cardboard box and no almost no extra's. I'd have expected some massive collectors edition (especially for 2001) to be released but I haven't seen it yet.

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astroman · Post by **astroman** » Sat Jun 19, 2004 12:13 pm

On 2004-06-19 09:53, King of Snake wrote:
...But it must be strange to have the overdubbed german voices! What does HAL say in german when he says "I'm afraid I can't do that Dave"? "Es tut mir Leid, das kann ich nicht machen Dave"?...

the german version isn't that bad, but actually I can't remember it - the 'I'm sorry Dave...' once was the most favourite error beebs on early Macs (first generation) and I'll never get it out of my head again

I recently bought Clockwork Orange out of that box series, but as far as I remember it's significantly cut in middle part (Alex confronted with the 'political' violent scenes).
It just makes no sense, something's missing there.
Aside from that Dr. Strangelove is missing in that collection

cheers, Tom

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enumeratus · Post by **enumeratus** » Sat Jun 19, 2004 2:17 pm

...
What does HAL say in german when he says "I'm afraid I can't do that Dave"? "Es tut mir Leid, das kann ich nicht machen Dave"?
...

almost, it's:
"Tut mir leid, Dave, das kann ich nicht."

King of Snake · Post by **King of Snake** » Sat Jun 19, 2004 5:32 pm

I recently bought Clockwork Orange out of that box series, but as far as I remember it's significantly cut in middle part (Alex confronted with the 'political' violent scenes).
It just makes no sense, something's missing there.
Aside from that Dr. Strangelove is missing in that collection

I have Clockwork Orange and Dr Strangelove on DVD too. I think Dr Strangelove has some extra's, but Clockwork Orange hasn't. I can't really comment on wether anything is missing, since this is the only version I've seen of it.