Hello!
I will order a soundcard system very soon (in 24 hours) for our studio, but want some recommendations first. What we want is a stable 16-24 channels high quality platform for Cubase SX2 with WinXP. We will use it both for regular studio recoring, as well as for real time rehearsal with reverb, compression and EQ-s for different sessions with different mixers (not at the same time). But our main requirement is that the product are 100% stable, and what I've heard RME (DIGI96/36) is that with Cubase. Now I wonder if Creamware Scope Project is that stable. What are your recommendations?
Please answer quickly, I need answers in 24 ours.
Best regards
/Magnus
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Basic Pitch
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Well as far as tracking goes there wont be much of a difference imo between the RME or the CW card, but (and here is where its hard to explain), there are monumental differences betwen these 2 cards, the CWA card is a DSP based "Studio" solution, giving you - Routing, mixing, effects, synths, just about anything that can be done in a real studio can be done within a creamware system.
The RME setup will basically just give you a solid performing soundcard. The two cards are like night and day, sure RME makes great products but it cant be compared with a Scope card since they are two totally different things. Scope is a virtual enviorment which all works in realtime, as I noticed you said you want a solution for sessions to be able to use EQ's and reverbs and such.
Well with the scope card, you can rout outboard gear directly into the CW card and use effects like reverbs, delays, compression, distortion, chorus effects etc etc etc, all in real time, actually as far as I know the CW card may be one of the ONLY cards to be able to proccess incoming audio, where as most DSP cards only effect the output.
The RME will basically just be a link between your computer and your inputs, so in theory the only you will be able to hear effects is if you 1. record the tracks with effects, or 2. configure a system to record dry but process the sound from outboard gear as its coming in.
I will say this though, CWA cards can be heaven and hell, some instalations can be rough, but thats usually due to user configuration, and we here at the Z are always happy to help, though some installation's are a sinch and work perfectly. The RME being a simple interface should be a very easy to get installed.
Hope it helps somem,
Cheers!
The RME setup will basically just give you a solid performing soundcard. The two cards are like night and day, sure RME makes great products but it cant be compared with a Scope card since they are two totally different things. Scope is a virtual enviorment which all works in realtime, as I noticed you said you want a solution for sessions to be able to use EQ's and reverbs and such.
Well with the scope card, you can rout outboard gear directly into the CW card and use effects like reverbs, delays, compression, distortion, chorus effects etc etc etc, all in real time, actually as far as I know the CW card may be one of the ONLY cards to be able to proccess incoming audio, where as most DSP cards only effect the output.
The RME will basically just be a link between your computer and your inputs, so in theory the only you will be able to hear effects is if you 1. record the tracks with effects, or 2. configure a system to record dry but process the sound from outboard gear as its coming in.
I will say this though, CWA cards can be heaven and hell, some instalations can be rough, but thats usually due to user configuration, and we here at the Z are always happy to help, though some installation's are a sinch and work perfectly. The RME being a simple interface should be a very easy to get installed.
Hope it helps somem,
Cheers!
Hello Mr Basic Pitch or someone else!
Thanks for the answers.
So you think it might take several hours to install CW Project 4 to get the same features, and stability as with RME, or is it just for special features, it might be problems?
So RME doesn't provide me with the ability to have music sessions or rehearsal in real-time (eg. 12 channels) with a reverb or two, EQ's on almost all (12) channels, and some compression (All with near-zero latency of course since this should be our monitoring system)? But CW will?
Is this correct?
Regards Magnus
Thanks for the answers.
So you think it might take several hours to install CW Project 4 to get the same features, and stability as with RME, or is it just for special features, it might be problems?
So RME doesn't provide me with the ability to have music sessions or rehearsal in real-time (eg. 12 channels) with a reverb or two, EQ's on almost all (12) channels, and some compression (All with near-zero latency of course since this should be our monitoring system)? But CW will?
Is this correct?
Regards Magnus
You would probably be able to do this by using VST plugins & direct monitoring with the RME & SX2, but Scope opens up a whole new world of possibilties, and IMO the plugins sound more professional, especially if you invest in some of the 3rd party ones (of which there are hundreds).
It's not actually that hard to set up either, although there are some fundamental things which come in to play, depending on your system....
The biggest issue is whether to use XP in Standard PC or ACPI mode....in my experience the former is more reliable....others will inevitably beg to differ.
But one thing is for sure....there is no other system quite as versatile as Scope- once bitten you'll be hooked, and your system will grow with you.
It's not actually that hard to set up either, although there are some fundamental things which come in to play, depending on your system....
The biggest issue is whether to use XP in Standard PC or ACPI mode....in my experience the former is more reliable....others will inevitably beg to differ.
But one thing is for sure....there is no other system quite as versatile as Scope- once bitten you'll be hooked, and your system will grow with you.
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Basic Pitch
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Hi again,
As the others have said, "instalations" wise can be very simple, when I say it could "possibly" be hellish is mostly due to your system, this is really the same with any peripherals though the CW cards like some components and mother boards better than others, if that makes sense.
1. Are you building a new system from the ground up? If so this would make using a CW card a breeze since you could follow suggestions from other users.
All in all, I myself moved from a Lynx card which is similar to the RME and went with a Creamware ScopePro, and have no regrets, I love my CW card and all the exciting things that I am able to do with it, things I could only dream about with an RME or my Lynx card.
As said, if you want to do real time things such as a jam session and apply effects to incoming signals and such without having the typical limitations of routing or what you can do with a more traditional sound card such as the RME, go with the CW card.
The other major thing is you get plug-ins galore with a CW card, all ya get with RME is just a sound card, besides the only reason RME is so well known is for its stablity as a card for inputs, depending on your CW cards set up, you can use what ever converters you want, not just CW's.
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As the others have said, "instalations" wise can be very simple, when I say it could "possibly" be hellish is mostly due to your system, this is really the same with any peripherals though the CW cards like some components and mother boards better than others, if that makes sense.
1. Are you building a new system from the ground up? If so this would make using a CW card a breeze since you could follow suggestions from other users.
All in all, I myself moved from a Lynx card which is similar to the RME and went with a Creamware ScopePro, and have no regrets, I love my CW card and all the exciting things that I am able to do with it, things I could only dream about with an RME or my Lynx card.
As said, if you want to do real time things such as a jam session and apply effects to incoming signals and such without having the typical limitations of routing or what you can do with a more traditional sound card such as the RME, go with the CW card.
The other major thing is you get plug-ins galore with a CW card, all ya get with RME is just a sound card, besides the only reason RME is so well known is for its stablity as a card for inputs, depending on your CW cards set up, you can use what ever converters you want, not just CW's.
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