Europe

samplaire · Post by **samplaire** » Fri Apr 30, 2004 5:50 pm

Finally we are not outside Europe

wsippel · Post by **wsippel** » Fri Apr 30, 2004 7:23 pm

Yeah, welcome aboard!

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rodos1979 · Post by **rodos1979** » Fri Apr 30, 2004 8:04 pm

welcome guys!

astroman · Post by **astroman** » Fri Apr 30, 2004 8:50 pm

I always considered you inside, Sam

but we were kidding about the fact at the tobacco store today...

cheers, Tom

Post by **hubird** » Fri Apr 30, 2004 10:34 pm

...as if you were always there. already...

[ This Message was edited by: hubird on 2004-04-30 23:34 ]

Nisse · Post by **Nisse** » Sat May 01, 2004 5:04 am

Welcome into Europe where you belong, Poles nd Latvians!

next to nothing · Post by **next to nothing** » Sat May 01, 2004 6:16 am

Thank god we are still outside.

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Post by **hubird** » Sat May 01, 2004 7:21 am

what if you'd add your country to your profile...?
maybe you're right...

Immanuel · Post by **Immanuel** » Sat May 01, 2004 12:20 pm

As long as people are happy, where they are. Sometimes I would like to be a Norevegian (for that and some other reasons).

samplaire · Post by **samplaire** » Sat May 01, 2004 6:11 pm

We, Poles, are famous (or infamous) for odd things I don't like. But I'm a patriot. As you might notice I wrote I was from Chopin and Copernicus country. They are people who made someting for the world. There are more like Maria Curie-Sklodowska and Lech Walesa and Karol Wojtyla and Stanislaw Lem. Unfortunatelly there are more Poles are famous for bad things. I hope you don't think bad about us - me Michu and Darolek are guys who try to prove it here on PlanetZ. My house in an open one. If you are ever in Poland - you are welcome. This is a friendly country, really. Don't be fooled by the cliches!!!

Nisse · Post by **Nisse** » Sat May 01, 2004 6:41 pm

Whenever someone mentions Poland, i immediately think of that huge female weightlifter you got, Agata Wroebel.

She scares me

next to nothing · Post by **next to nothing** » Sat May 01, 2004 6:57 pm

im not thinking bad about poland, thats for sure. in fact im prolly gonna spend a week or so in krakow this autumn

Post by **hubird** » Sat May 01, 2004 8:07 pm

piddi
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thanks Piddy

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Post by **hubird** » Sat May 01, 2004 8:21 pm

next to nothing · Post by **next to nothing** » Sat May 01, 2004 9:26 pm

wsippel · Post by **wsippel** » Sat May 01, 2004 11:56 pm

Hey samplaire - what should I say: I'm a patriot, too (european and german), and the later is not really "en vogue" in Germany if you know what I mean.
But, like you, I think about Goethe, Beethoven, Einstein, Benz, Planck, Zuse, Heißenberg, von Braun - not about that sick guy from Austria...

samplaire · Post by **samplaire** » Sun May 02, 2004 3:32 am

Thanks ! ! !

Kenf · Post by **Kenf** » Sun May 02, 2004 3:36 am

Welcome to the 'club' I hope everybody can work together to create a better world. At the moment in the UK press there is just negative news about europe. They say now 100,000s of eastern europeans will come and murder us in our beds, steal our money.... and give us AIDS. What a load of crap.... Most people in the UK welcome everyone.... I do. Problem is, being nice does not make good headlines.
Any way if you are ever in my 'neck of the woods' pop in for a cup of tea. Your welcome!
Regards
kenf

Nisse · Post by **Nisse** » Sun May 02, 2004 10:43 am

This EU thing can be interesting when you compare how different countries view it.

Take the eastern Europeans for example. They are usually very keen to join EU given the chance. They see it as a chance to a huge economical upswing, and even some kind of protection against Russia.

The process of joining EU in the Scandinavian countries however, was met with much more resistance from its citizens. Many Scandinavians didnt want to join at all. There is a widespread feeling that "we have it better here already" and joining EU means "lowering ourselves to their standard"

I think swedes voted yes to join with only about 52%. Id wager that the Poles for instance were much more enthusiastic. And when push came to shove, the norwegians chose to not join at all.

Its all about perspective really

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astroman · Post by **astroman** » Sun May 02, 2004 11:21 am

On 2004-05-02 04:36, Kenf wrote:
... They say now 100,000s of eastern europeans will come and murder us in our beds, steal our money...

well, it's not such crap but the way it goes - the scum always is the first in line when it comes to cross the borders and exploit new possibilities...

when the Berlin wall fell, the first people going from east to west were of a kind that made you wish that border back.
The first 'businessmen' taking the oppsite direction literally frauded millions of people from the eastern part of the country with crap.
We have UNO troops in Kossovo and some (not that few) fellows from there have built up quite some drug and prostitution imperium here.
Kurdish refugees wearing bullet proof vests entertain us with occasinal drive-by shootings...
and my ex-Russian neighbours prefer to switch of street lights by gunshots (probably after too much vodka - but they still hit the thing)

Btw I've heard they don't steal cars anymore in Poland - now they stand in front of the vehicle with heavy guns and politely ask you to leave the key...

@Sam - that's not a joke but a true story from my climbing partner who is from Poland.
Btw he's a great friend and one of the nicest persons I know - and a (legitimate!)car dealer in germany himself

I'm living close to a so called 'social focus'

and in fact it's hard not to mess up the general public of a foreign country with a few misguided idiots.

It's a true challenge, possibly one of the biggest we're about to face in the next years.
Nevertheless I'm against borders and hope this opening up brings people together - and the wierdos I mentioned above to where they belong, wherever it may be...

cheers, Tom