What to do with crap?

ChrisWerner · Post by **ChrisWerner** » Tue Jan 06, 2004 7:46 am

This file has expired and is no longer available here. The owner of the topic can re-upload the file, or post a link to an off-site file. <a name="planetz-tag"></a>Genre: german church music <a name="planetz-tag"></a>Uses: x-noise REQ6 TrueVerb L2 copyright © 2004 ? _____________________________________ Today I had a terrible work to do.
I had to master a poor mono recording from a choir in a Berlin church.20 tracks at all.
I made some fun out of this work and will show you my steps I´ve done during the process.

You will hear the original recording first, after the first verse you can hear the denoiser, then an eq to carve out the voices and instruments.
After that you can hear a reverb to bring some space to the mono recording.
Finally an ultra maximizer.
What do you think?
Before I give away my edit version I will eq again and finalize it, though.

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paulrmartin · Post by **paulrmartin** » Tue Jan 06, 2004 8:50 am

From my experience at denoising tracks I believe that a bit of residual noise is better than the flangy sound of excessive denoising. Besides, a choir is noisy to begin with( I sang in choirs as a student) so don't try to get rid of all the noise.

ChrisWerner · Post by **ChrisWerner** » Tue Jan 06, 2004 10:12 am

Thanks for the hint.
I´ll give it a try.

Post by **hubird** » Tue Jan 06, 2004 7:48 pm

not bad, specially the voices of the males did benefit from it, and the stereo expanding is ok also.
With Paul I say I wouldn't dare about the noise so hard, specially coz there is not much noise in it.
Dynamic denoising like the PSP MixTreble can be ok, but take care indeed for stuff like the Waves Restoration X-noise plug, you can get Paul's fasinglike effects indeed.
Anyway, it's hard to make this source more bad than it is of its own

Herr Voigt · Post by **Herr Voigt** » Wed Jan 07, 2004 7:12 pm

Yes, be careful with denoisers, a little noise isn't bad.
To get more space, what about panning the mono track hard left and a few ms later hard right? The old trick with acoustic guitars ...

paulrmartin · Post by **paulrmartin** » Fri Jan 09, 2004 10:29 am

If you use Logic, use the Stereo Spread plug-in. With the right settings, it will give the impression of the basses being on the left and sopranos on the right

ChrisWerner · Post by **ChrisWerner** » Fri Jan 09, 2004 10:59 am

Thank you all for the hints, I have to finalize the tracks tomorrow. Most of them I could process with the same settings.
But hapless I´ve three tracks with church organ only, this is a real task -such a bad recording.
Paul, I´m on Cubase but I think I know what you aim for. I try the Voice Ultra Pitch plug at the moment.
After it detects the voice frequences you can spread up to 6 voices in the panorama. Seems to work but I don´t pitch the voices, I only spread them.
I can post a newer version tomorrow.
Thanks again.

braincell · Post by **braincell** » Fri Jan 09, 2004 11:22 am

Above all remember that they will be happy even if it sounds like total crap so don't put too much time into it. I do work for churches all the time (T-Shirt Printing).

ChrisWerner · Post by **ChrisWerner** » Fri Jan 09, 2004 11:34 am

This is not a work for the church directly, the recording was made in a church only.
Beside this there are two things why I ante up a little more time for a good result.

First there is my honour to be good when I do something for money (to get further orders) and second I want to work with that choir for my music. Maybe I can sample them for a nice choir sound in my sampler or we could do something together. One hand washes the other.

Post by **Neil B** » Fri Jan 09, 2004 11:54 am

On 2004-01-09 11:22, braincell wrote:
Above all remember that they will be happy even if it sounds like total crap so don't put too much time into it. I do work for churches all the time (T-Shirt Printing).

Not with me on the church committee they wouldn't, and certainly not in our church

Mind you, this choir is much better than ours (so is a herd of dying bison but that's another story)

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paulrmartin · Post by **paulrmartin** » Fri Jan 09, 2004 3:35 pm

You do bring back memories, Neil!

Nestor · Post by **Nestor** » Wed Feb 04, 2004 10:41 am

On 2004-01-09 11:22, braincell wrote:
Above all remember that they will be happy even if it sounds like total crap so don't put too much time into it. I do work for churches all the time (T-Shirt Printing).

Ufffff, a great advice of honesty!

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Nestor · Post by **Nestor** » Wed Feb 04, 2004 10:50 am

On 2004-01-06 08:50, paulrmartin wrote:
From my experience at denoising tracks I believe that a bit of residual noise is better than the flangy sound of excessive denoising. Besides, a choir is noisy to begin with( I sang in choirs as a student) so don't try to get rid of all the noise.

Totally agree with Paul here… And in fact, I can here in your work a small flanging effect, and of course, because is classical music, this effect does not match at all, but is very small, so don’t worry.

I’m impressed nevertheless, by the incredible bettering the sound went through, I would say that from 0 to 100, your song was first at about 30% quality, and went up to 75%.

I would add one more suggestion Chris. I think you went too far up with the maximizing process; you have perhaps pumped it up too hard. For some kind of music, this is great, but not for soft classical choirs, I think it would go down about 2db.

Nestor · Post by **Nestor** » Wed Feb 04, 2004 10:52 am

I have done lots of work cleanning speach voices, and not always but sometimes, the hiss cleanning was made after EQing, and it would work better.
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