The Good and The Bad

Counterparts · Post by **Counterparts** » Wed Oct 29, 2003 6:57 am

The Good:
Borrowed my friend's Les Paul last night (that I hope to buy) and had a great jam with another mate, Dave. My word...incredible tone and sustain, considering that it's got two year old strings on it! Knocked the spots off my Strat. He's now not sure if he wants to sell it, but I'm hooked!

The Bad:
Some $%@!#&* nicked my motorbike last night!
<b>Grim</b>

Royston

krizrox · Post by **krizrox** » Wed Oct 29, 2003 9:52 am

I'm a long time LP player myself. I've played a lot of guitars in my life but the LP is just such a warm and wonderful instrument. The perfect rock guitar.

I've played Strats too. The thing about a Strat is that it takes a bit more wrangling to get a good tone out of it. But I think maybe, it's easier to develop a unqiue style/sound with a Strat. A LP will always sound like a LP but Strats seem to have a lot more personality. I don't know. I'm sure someone will disagree. I guess it depends on the player. Strats almost beg to be customized whereas you probably wouldn't hack up a LP.

too bad about the bike though. hope you can retrieve it somehow.

marcuspocus · Post by **marcuspocus** » Wed Oct 29, 2003 11:10 am

I have a Godin, and wouldn't exchange it against any starts in the world!

It as the multiple-personnality of a strats but the tone is so much better to my ear. And the playability of this baby. When i bought it, i tried at least 50 differents guitar in differents shops. The Godin is really the only one that made my mouth drop...

Wilkinson hardware, active pickups, rosewood neck. Very heavy, as a LP.

Nah, the only other guitar i 'might' consider is a real les paul.

Strats is for making noise

Counterparts · Post by **Counterparts** » Wed Oct 29, 2003 11:43 am

It was particularly for a warm overdriven sound that the LP really stood out. The strat has a brighter, thiner sound, with a more pronounced attack but not as warm and sustaining as the LP. Will probably keep both, though...for certain uses/sounds, the strat's the one to go for as it is very versatile.

Just had a look at godinguitars.com - very nice! Which model do you have? I've always liked Music Man guitars too (although I doubt whether I could afford one!) - small forests are cut down to make the bodies of those things (darned heavy).

Royston

Post by **garyb** » Wed Oct 29, 2003 12:31 pm

real heavy=green wood.

all guitars are cool.

marcuspocus · Post by **marcuspocus** » Wed Oct 29, 2003 12:37 pm

It's a Godin Artisan ST.

If you want to ear the sounds of it in action, get a Uzeb album.

Michel Cusson, which is a great guitarist and play in this old band swear by them.

They also do very respectable midi guitars.

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Post by **garyb** » Wed Oct 29, 2003 9:40 pm

actually,the company(la si do)is the same one that makes seagull guitars,they are a canadian company.godin is the owner/designer and his company makes especially nice,innovative instruments.his company is very sharp when it comes to materials,they have pioneered some nice local alternatives to rainforest hardwoods.the workmanship is also first rate.add to this very fair pricing and really,it's easy to like their stuff.

there are no secrets to what makes a good guitar and anyone who gives a damn can do it.even the chinese student models are very nice if the importer is willing to pay about $50-60(check out johnson electrics).when you see a badly made instrument,it really speaks volumes about how the owner of the company feels about that instrument,the people who play it and music itself.with the godin it's down to what you like.it is a well made,qulity guitar for a fraction of what fender and gibson offer for the same level of quality.you will not find poorly made garbage in their line,though they do make some "entry level" guitars,such as art&lutherie acoustics.

all my opinion,of course.

Nestor · Post by **Nestor** » Wed Oct 29, 2003 10:56 pm

Natural instruments are difficult to choose, cos every bodo is different... I too love the LP, I had the opportunity to have a genuine 1954 at my home, for a week. It was a friends'. Unfortunately, my friend did a concert and failed playing some very difficult Villa Lobos Works, and got totally troumatized, leaving music forever and selling his fabulous Gibson LP 1954.

The guitar came with a special lisence and some printed documents, serial number, etc., etc., there was no doubt it was one of those instruments made by the aouthor itself.

I played it everyday through this week, and was surprised to be able to play any way I liked. To me, it was similar to play a Great Stenway... I don't know if you have ever seat in front of a BIG Steinway and played a few notes... Well... it seems that anything you play it just sounds absolutely musical, fantastically clear, harmonious... Exactly the same with this guitar.

At least, I can tell you he sold it at a VERY expensive prise, and I could never get him back into music, it was a bad time to me, cos he was sort of an idol. One of those guys that would study hours and hours and hours without stop, every day. We was so serious about it... but... Human mind is unpredictable...

Well, the matter is that a serious player has this guitar and at least, the guitar continues making music...

Post by **garyb** » Wed Oct 29, 2003 11:38 pm

of course,the special one.a magical blend of ingredients.most are good some are very good some are bad.a few are very bad and a few are very good.and guitartists...i can't tell you how many bad players i have seen with good guitars......

Nestor · Post by **Nestor** » Thu Oct 30, 2003 12:34 am

Yea, and this is much easyer than seen a bad guitar played bad a great guitarrist...

but you can still get it in poor countries...

Post by **garyb** » Thu Oct 30, 2003 2:41 am

yes,the latter(bad guitar,good guitarist)is so much easier on the ears than the former(good guitar,bad player)!

Counterparts · Post by **Counterparts** » Thu Oct 30, 2003 4:41 am

garyb wrote:

all guitars are cool.

Well, in principle I'd have to agree with you. However:

http://www.hard-rock-cafe.de/html/dirge ... orror.html

Woof!

Royston

krizrox · Post by **krizrox** » Thu Oct 30, 2003 7:31 am

Those aren't guitars. They're pins.

Counterparts · Post by **Counterparts** » Thu Oct 30, 2003 9:12 am

Yeah, you're right (caught out there)

I couldn't find the URL to a site that I have seen before which does have an array of truly dreadful 'custom' guitars, so I posted the one above out of desperation.

Royston

Post by **garyb** » Thu Oct 30, 2003 1:11 pm

truly dreadful custom guitars are SO cool.......

Michu · Post by **Michu** » Thu Oct 30, 2003 1:49 pm

http://www.bcrich.com/

krizrox · Post by **krizrox** » Thu Oct 30, 2003 4:29 pm

Ha ha ha - there ya go

BC Rich - now those really are dreadful guitars.

From the standpoint of what comes through my studio on a regular basis, I can tell you that too few players have anything worthwhile to even talk about. Many of the younger kids are buying these guitars that kinda look high quality but they sound awful. You can find many examples in Musicians Friend. They all cost around $300-$500. Some come with painted flames (not the real stuff). How cheesy. They all look pretty well-made on the outside but they sound terrible. Must be cheap pickups and electronics.

And then they pair that up with a crummy Crate amp or some newfangled digital simulation of a real tube amp. Ick.

I see a lot of PRS guitars but not the really good ones. Lot's of low-end Fenders - some don't sound too bad actually. A few LP's here and there but mostly the low-end models. Basses I don't even want to talk about. Yeesh.

Nobody buys aftermarket pickups anymore. When I was actively buying guitars, that was always the first thing to go. Didn't matter what they came with. I'd rush out and buy some DiMarzios or Seymor Duncans. The pickups made a big difference.

Post by **garyb** » Thu Oct 30, 2003 11:41 pm

yeah,of course you're right about what you say,but those crummy sounding instruments can sound nice in the hands of one with skill.people love the way that stuff sounds everyday,especially if they haven't heard better.i'm all for eliminating all the crappy stuff,but then there'll be no music industry.only those who are serious will buy and they have no money.........

and really,the crappy stuff of today is SO much better than 30 years ago.if you think that $400 stuff is garbage,check out what used to be for the masses in old sears catalogs.which brings me to the error in a previous post in this thread(by me).the cheapies that impressed me were not those johnsons,but the j tursers.sorry.

emzee · Post by **emzee** » Fri Oct 31, 2003 4:43 am

Many years ago I had a ply bodied (painted) Tele copy....no brand....maple neck. I was once offered serious money for that guitar. Wish I'd taken it.

I walked into a local shop the other day and played an Epiphone strat copy through an Epiphone Galaxie. The guitar retailed about $270AU new. Sounded and played great! If you can't make decent music out of todays cheap gear, it's not the gear's fault.

AudioIrony · Post by **AudioIrony** » Fri Oct 31, 2003 8:20 am

On 2003-10-30 16:29, krizrox wrote:
When I was actively buying guitars, that was always the first thing to go. Didn't matter what they came with. I'd rush out and buy some DiMarzios or Seymor Duncans. The pickups made a big difference.

I agree - my home made guitar (Mahogany and silver ash) has Dimarzio's on the neck and Seymour Duncan's on the bridge - sounds yummy.