he means John Cooper, numbnuts! your braincell is broken.braincell wrote:By JC I assume you refer to Jesus Christ. We have an old saying "If you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen".
God is not great: How religion poisons everthing
well, i won't be helping you, then.BingoTheClowno wrote:Thank you for confirming that you are a murder advocate.
And, yes I would turn you in for murder.
BTW, why you need to hide the body in the sand if you're defending yourself
Am I the only one who sees how ridiculous and deluded you are?
i'll bite on the sand question. he hid the body because the guy he killed was the pharoh's employee and he knew there'd be no justice when pharoh found out that his royal slave-abuser was broken. moses was part of the royal house and he gave up his wealth and priviledge to protect the weak. the government didn't like it, but the action was honorable.
i did not confirm that i am a murder advocate. that is ad hominem and shows your bad intent.
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I think JC should wait until startdust presents his proof of god's existence.Valis wrote: JC is a very lenient fellow, on any other forum this thread would be closed by now.
And [Moses] he looked this way and that way, and when he saw that there was no man, he slew the Egyptian, and hid him in the sand.
Exodus 2:12
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Braincell, if I suddenly took 'ill' and went around horribly torturing and killing people, I would WANT people to put me out of commission. If a rock falls from the sky, and hits me on the head, and suddenly I want to go on a killing spree, I would HOPE that someone would make sure that I didn't kill anyone, regardless of whether it was 'infringing on my personal freedoms'.braincell wrote:Maybe he was ill? Oh well I guess you can explain it to his 5 year old daughter who is sobbing uncontrollably.
And if someone went up to you, braincell, and started killing you for no other reason but because it was what they personally wanted to do, i would stop them from killing you, even if it meant killing them. Even if you hated me after for doing this. What a monster I am, huh?
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I've read your version of the Big Bang theory, and it shows as poor an understanding of the science, as some fundamentalist telling me that 'evolution means humans came from monkeys'. So how can Stardust tell you where you're wrong about the big bang, without giving you information on what the Big Bang is?BingoTheClowno wrote: This is what I asked startdust for:
"I'm really interested to know what you think I was wrong about Big Bang."
not information on BigBang from a yo-yo like stardust.
Well, context is everything. If I'm replying to your posts, I would say likely, yes. But history will be the final judge.BingoTheClowno wrote: What do you think you come across? Cool and super-intelligent? Modest?
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It's also called Genesis (to the Western world) for another reason.
If Faxinadu sneaks into this topic (he's from Israel), he may be able to confirm this.
The books of the Old Testament, especially the first five, are named solely on the basis of the first word that is written on the scroll. During readings in synagogues the scrolls are opened and read during a service and the first words became the names of the books.
Gary B:
Re your comments about taking bits of the Bible out of context -
It's also interesting to note that commandments 1-4 deal with man's behaviour to God. 5-9 deal with man's behaviour to man and 10 deals with our own thoughts.
It is interesting to study them in reverse so that if you put your own attitudes in order, then you are more able to co-exist with others and so on.
Now it isn't as you suggested, taking things out of context, but it is an interesting way of studying the passages.
(just thought I'd mention that)
If Faxinadu sneaks into this topic (he's from Israel), he may be able to confirm this.
The books of the Old Testament, especially the first five, are named solely on the basis of the first word that is written on the scroll. During readings in synagogues the scrolls are opened and read during a service and the first words became the names of the books.
Gary B:
Re your comments about taking bits of the Bible out of context -
It's also interesting to note that commandments 1-4 deal with man's behaviour to God. 5-9 deal with man's behaviour to man and 10 deals with our own thoughts.
It is interesting to study them in reverse so that if you put your own attitudes in order, then you are more able to co-exist with others and so on.
Now it isn't as you suggested, taking things out of context, but it is an interesting way of studying the passages.
(just thought I'd mention that)
Neil-interesting way to look at that.
i do find it amazing that so much meaning can be found that will support so many points of view, from atheist to fundementalist, pacifist to warmonger...being that it was cobbled together from several books and that books that had been together with the ones kept were removed from the collection to form the present canon by the pope,errr..emperor of rome, constantine(wasn't that a movie?), it's very relevant as a mirror to everything that's happening today. human behavior hasn't changed much, even though most of the translations are terrible and sometimes change the meaning of who passages. sure, the leaders of this world take this collection of stories, one of the treasures of humanity for it's age alone, and invoke evil in it's name, but like religion, that doesn't make all of it's influence bad. i'll clear up at least a basic decription of just what's in this book. no one has to read it, but considering that almost everything good or bad is blamed on it(this thread is a good example), it's not stupid to have at least a little backround...
of the first five books, these are the basic remeberances of a specific people. they are all that's left of an ancient tribal memory, who their forefathers were and what their laws and beliefs were and what their stengths and failures were. the next few books are the words of the righteous against corrupt civilizations(babylon, persia, egypt and the isrealite and judean governments as well), or what's remembered of the good parts of these antagonists of kings' speeches, and also the chronicles of the kings of the israelites and judeans and the good and bad things they did with their power and the corruption that they sunk to.
next is the "new testament". several small books of the life of jesus(snippets of it anyway) told by people who were a generation or so removed from his life(with the possible exception of john!), a few stories of the disciples and the letters. there were some letters of peter, the father of the eastern church(the byzantine empire became eastern orthodox when it became christian. the byzantine empire was the eastern half of the roman empire. it was decided that the empire would be better administered if split in two) and LOTS of the writings of paul of tarsus who founded the roman church later headed by the emperor of the wetern half of the empire(rome), that is now called catholic.
the books are not named genesis, leviticus, exodus etc, from the first words when read from the torah. the torah is written in hebrew. those names are greek(and latin). greek texts were very popular in judea during roman times because well educated people spoke greek in those days. even then, people liked to follow the elite and wealthy. "genesis" is actually latin for "birth"(judeans wouldn't use latin), exodus is greek for "to go out", leviticus is greek refering to the tride of levi, the tribe of the priests(keepers of the law), numbers is about the census of israelites taken twice in the prekingdom days, deuteronomy is greek for "second law" in which tribal law is codified for a second time.
once again, these are just some minor facts that are often misunderstood because the books are not usually studied by those who have opinions and repeat things others have told them. this has nothing to do with whether of not there is an almighty god....
i do find it amazing that so much meaning can be found that will support so many points of view, from atheist to fundementalist, pacifist to warmonger...being that it was cobbled together from several books and that books that had been together with the ones kept were removed from the collection to form the present canon by the pope,errr..emperor of rome, constantine(wasn't that a movie?), it's very relevant as a mirror to everything that's happening today. human behavior hasn't changed much, even though most of the translations are terrible and sometimes change the meaning of who passages. sure, the leaders of this world take this collection of stories, one of the treasures of humanity for it's age alone, and invoke evil in it's name, but like religion, that doesn't make all of it's influence bad. i'll clear up at least a basic decription of just what's in this book. no one has to read it, but considering that almost everything good or bad is blamed on it(this thread is a good example), it's not stupid to have at least a little backround...
of the first five books, these are the basic remeberances of a specific people. they are all that's left of an ancient tribal memory, who their forefathers were and what their laws and beliefs were and what their stengths and failures were. the next few books are the words of the righteous against corrupt civilizations(babylon, persia, egypt and the isrealite and judean governments as well), or what's remembered of the good parts of these antagonists of kings' speeches, and also the chronicles of the kings of the israelites and judeans and the good and bad things they did with their power and the corruption that they sunk to.
next is the "new testament". several small books of the life of jesus(snippets of it anyway) told by people who were a generation or so removed from his life(with the possible exception of john!), a few stories of the disciples and the letters. there were some letters of peter, the father of the eastern church(the byzantine empire became eastern orthodox when it became christian. the byzantine empire was the eastern half of the roman empire. it was decided that the empire would be better administered if split in two) and LOTS of the writings of paul of tarsus who founded the roman church later headed by the emperor of the wetern half of the empire(rome), that is now called catholic.
the books are not named genesis, leviticus, exodus etc, from the first words when read from the torah. the torah is written in hebrew. those names are greek(and latin). greek texts were very popular in judea during roman times because well educated people spoke greek in those days. even then, people liked to follow the elite and wealthy. "genesis" is actually latin for "birth"(judeans wouldn't use latin), exodus is greek for "to go out", leviticus is greek refering to the tride of levi, the tribe of the priests(keepers of the law), numbers is about the census of israelites taken twice in the prekingdom days, deuteronomy is greek for "second law" in which tribal law is codified for a second time.
once again, these are just some minor facts that are often misunderstood because the books are not usually studied by those who have opinions and repeat things others have told them. this has nothing to do with whether of not there is an almighty god....
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Agreed - It was merely a simplistic view of the naming of the first 5 books that I gave. I'm with you on this. I just decided not to go into the detail that you havegaryb wrote: the books are not named genesis, leviticus, exodus etc, from the first words when read from the torah. the torah is written in hebrew. those names are greek(and latin). greek texts were very popular in judea during roman times because well educated people spoke greek in those days. even then, people liked to follow the elite and wealthy. "genesis" is actually latin for "birth"(judeans wouldn't use latin), exodus is greek for "to go out", leviticus is greek refering to the tride of levi, the tribe of the priests(keepers of the law), numbers is about the census of israelites taken twice in the prekingdom days, deuteronomy is greek for "second law" in which tribal law is codified for a second time.
once again, these are just some minor facts that are often misunderstood because the books are not usually studied by those who have opinions and repeat things others have told them. this has nothing to do with whether of not there is an almighty god....
The other point "this has nothing to do with whether of not there is an almighty god." - and why He poisons everything
is perhaps relevant to this topic.I have to say that I'm impressed by your vast breadth of knowledge.
You'd make a good believer !!
Have a good day
philosophy-religion, whatever.
opposing forces that work to move the herd.
what's real is much more important than these constructions. they will not hide you from reality in the end.
plato is the foundation of eugenics.
it gets old the way these worshippers of self excuse their bad behavior, their hording of intelligence and theft and murder of their brother, "am i his keeper?", while blaming the victim and flipping the script.
too much arrogance. too much knowledge. too little knowledge. thinking to breed humanity for the "great work", such a futile plan!
evolution is a description of experience, but the universe exists complete, as a whole. no one's going anywhere. there will be no evolution. the self will not be god to remake the universe in it's own image.
to end this poem, there are lies, there are damn lies and there are statistics! i'll tell you this much, when a man really suffers he cries out, "oh god!" and "a wise man fears god."
opposing forces that work to move the herd.
what's real is much more important than these constructions. they will not hide you from reality in the end.
plato is the foundation of eugenics.
it gets old the way these worshippers of self excuse their bad behavior, their hording of intelligence and theft and murder of their brother, "am i his keeper?", while blaming the victim and flipping the script.
too much arrogance. too much knowledge. too little knowledge. thinking to breed humanity for the "great work", such a futile plan!
evolution is a description of experience, but the universe exists complete, as a whole. no one's going anywhere. there will be no evolution. the self will not be god to remake the universe in it's own image.
to end this poem, there are lies, there are damn lies and there are statistics! i'll tell you this much, when a man really suffers he cries out, "oh god!" and "a wise man fears god."
agreed. it is selfish. that's the problem with man.braincell wrote:Killing someone in self defense is selfish. You are saying that your life is more valuable than the other person's life is. You also are apt to make am irreversible mistake or accident.
can you solemny swear that you're so brave that you would definitely value your own bravery not the be selfish over your own life?
if yes, respect, man. if not, you're not better than anybody else, and better hold your tongue. you know that situations like life-threatening ones will make one fall back to reflexes instead of rational thoughts like "what will I tell his 5-year-old (should he have one), if he doesn't survive my counter-attack?", even if you are the bravest man alive with no intention to kill anybody at all.
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I'm sorry, but my karma just ran over your dogma.
I'm sorry, but my karma just ran over your dogma.
the quote in your signature doesn't give a hint you disassociate with the words quoted. one could assume you approve it, which would make you a murder advicate, too (if that term is applicable to anybody who doesn't explicitely disassociate from the bible at all).BingoTheClowno wrote:Thank you for confirming that you are a murder advocate.
And, yes I would turn you in for murder.
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I'm sorry, but my karma just ran over your dogma.
I'm sorry, but my karma just ran over your dogma.
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I have a hard time believing someone could be so noble, at a time of maximum stress, when that same person is rude and condescending in a context that doesn't matter at all (posting on an internet forum). Better to work on little, real-world virtues than make towering promises of great abstract virtues, don't you think.kylie wrote:agreed. it is selfish. that's the problem with man.braincell wrote:Killing someone in self defense is selfish. You are saying that your life is more valuable than the other person's life is. You also are apt to make am irreversible mistake or accident.
can you solemny swear that you're so brave that you would definitely value your own bravery not the be selfish over your own life?
if yes, respect, man. if not, you're not better than anybody else, and better hold your tongue. you know that situations like life-threatening ones will make one fall back to reflexes instead of rational thoughts like "what will I tell his 5-year-old (should he have one), if he doesn't survive my counter-attack?", even if you are the bravest man alive with no intention to kill anybody at all.
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