God is not great: How religion poisons everthing

[garyb]

ok, Pope Gregory whatever. happy?
what does the pope have to do with atheist china's execution vans which are used to harvest collagen and body parts of "dissidents" right on the city streets? these make the torture devices you posted children's devices.
http://web.amnesty.org/wire/May2003/China
http://www.atimes.com/atimes/China/HG21Ad01.html
http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/Ne ... eId=115788
http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/2006 ... -van_x.htm
these aren't religious.

speaking of impaling, have you seen london's monument to impalement that's set up next to the thames on the south end of the london bridge(it's a giant spike)? the real events that the statue represents were also not religious(ask the scots about william wallace).

do read my posts and then write a standard reply or are you just non-comprehending?

[braincell]

What about the torture we inflict on our citizens? The United States has the highest per capita prison rate of any other country. In terms of federal prison, 57 % of those incarcerated were sentenced for drug offenses. Currently, considering local jails as well, almost a million of those incarcerated are in prison for non-violent crime. Now imagine 1 million United States citizens spending every day of their lives trying not to get raped.

[garyb]

and that's not religious either. it's bad, agreed.

[BingoTheClowno]

ok, Pope Gregory whatever. happy?
what does the pope have to do with atheist china's execution vans which are used to harvest collagen and body parts of "dissidents" right on the city streets? these make the torture devices you posted children's devices.
http://web.amnesty.org/wire/May2003/China
http://www.atimes.com/atimes/China/HG21Ad01.html
http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/Ne ... eId=115788
http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/2006 ... -van_x.htm
these aren't religious.

speaking of impaling, have you seen london's monument to impalement that's set up next to the thames on the south end of the london bridge(it's a giant spike)? the real events that the statue represents were also not religious(ask the scots about william wallace).

do read my posts and then write a standard reply or are you just non-comprehending?

Did they do it "in the name of Jesus"?
You should change your name to DodgeIt.

[garyb]

no.
that's not why they did it. william wallace was not quartered, impaled and left on public display by the london bridge for god's sake.

no.
that's not the reason the chinese death vans are operated. they skin people right on the street after lethal injection. they save the collegen(for lips and makeup) and the organs for sale to rich westerners, all NOT in the name of any god. the communists are atheists.

fingers out of the ears and eyes now, bingo.

[BingoTheClowno]

Communists don't torture in the name atheism, they do it to squash opposing ideas, just like you are now. We'be been through this over and over and over again. You like to torture, don't you. What part of it don't you understand?

Now repeat after me: "Pope Gregory IX ordered the torture of common citizens".

[garyb]

bingo, you're almost fun because you're such a yutz, so arrogant and vicious, yet never directly responding to those who directly respond to you...

where am i torturing to squash opposing ideas right now?!!!

Communists don't torture in the name atheism, they do it to squash opposing ideas, just like you are now.

atheism is a prime communist ideal.

now you repeat after me, "chinese and russian atheists have committed atrocities and torture in the name of ideologies, but really just to control people, just like evil popes did in the past."

http://www.allaboutphilosophy.org/what- ... sm-faq.htm
a quote from this link:
"Communism embraces atheism and dismisses religion as “the opiate of the masses,” a system designed by the rich and powerful to keep the poor in their place." this site is not gospel, but still, the idea is directly from the manifesto itself.

http://www.werple.net.au/~andy/works/atheism.htm
this guy thinks atheism doesn't go far enough. he says marx was beyond atheism.

probably, you most like a guy like "god is dead" Nietzshe. we've seen how loving the government that follows his principles can become in this last 20th century...like i said, a satanist, who would by definition be an atheist, as satanists don't believe in god or devil.

i'm more than willing to condem religion used for torture and death. i also revile philosophy or any other excuse used for those purposes. you want to pretend to higher moral ground, but you can't hold that hill unless you also vilify atheists who follow such practices and realize that the rulers will use any excuse to abuse the population.

[BingoTheClowno]

"chinese and russian atheists have committed atrocities and torture in the name of ideologies, but really just to control people, just like evil popes did in the past." and not in the name of atheism.

atheism is a prime communist ideal.

False.

http://www.allaboutphilosophy.org/what- ... sm-faq.htm
a quote from this link:
"Communism embraces atheism and dismisses religion as “the opiate of the masses,” a system designed by the rich and powerful to keep the poor in their place." this site is not gospel, but still, the idea is directly from the manifesto itself.

You're deluding yourself again again again and again.

This is a very practical egg beater don't you think?

[garyb]

hey clownie!

call me dogdgelt?

is that "dog d gold"? if so, i don't get it.

if it's dodge it, then all i can say is "it takes one to know one, nyah, nyah, nyah!"

no one has done more to wreck your cause in public than you.

i'm content with the thread as it is, but just to be a dick, here's the quote that you love so much from the much honored Albert Pike, supreme wizard and founder of the KKK and founder of the scottish rite of freemasonry, beloved by kings, the organization which is headed by british royalty, supporters of atheists:
"We shall unleash the nihilists and the atheists and we shall provoke a great social cataclysm which in all its horror will show clearly to all nations the effect of absolute atheism; the origins of savagery and of most bloody turmoil. "

looking at stalin, mao and polpot, i'd say the plan is well underway. i see what you love you big clown.

[BingoTheClowno]

Never underestimate the power of denial!

[braincell]

There is a alliance between Christianity and the United States government which is causing a lot of torture and death both within and outside of the territorial boundaries of the nation.

Communists don't torture in the name atheism, they do it to squash opposing ideas, just like you are now. We'be been through this over and over and over again. You like to torture, don't you. What part of it don't you understand?

Now repeat after me: "Pope Gregory IX ordered the torture of common citizens".

[garyb]

that's just untrue. and it's insulting to human intelligence. i know you're used to arguing with zombie sleepwalkers, but....

the torture is not christian, though some claim to be christians who practice it.

there is an alliance with the world leadership and the occult, which has powered civilization for at least 10,000 years(the stature of crowley and albert pike and blood sacrifice in south america prove that!) and is the fountain of civilization and culture starting with nimrod, as far as the story is told.....

the christianity you speak of is an extension of this "babylon system". (nimrod=founder of babylon, look it up) i highly doubt if any on this board knowingly participate in such a thing(supporting torture in the name of christ. only absolute psycopaths would feel good about that in any time or age). it doesn't help to insult people or attack those who have no bad intentions, ones who try to live up to the higher ideals of their religions, which is a very good thing, because they're making a conscious effort to be good people! if you wish to challenge church leadership, then by all means, do! no need to take it out on the nice people who talk with you here on this message board.

it's stupid to declare a war on drugs and then spend all your time hassling crack heads, the victims of the drug industry. better to go after the councilmen and police cheifs who allow their cities to be run by gangsters, the congressmen and generals and bankers who make the trade possible, the intelligence officers who clear the way and the elites who sit around in meetings and plan the fate of the sheeple, the profane, the masses who wander in the dark and need to be led. that is, of course, if you really want to solve the problem. if you like things just as they are, or are a brainwashed idiot, you avoid going after the true profiteers of the system itself.

sure! religion is used for lots of bad things, so is atheism, sex, alchohol, politics and science. the way you use atheism is as disgustiing as the way a theocracy rules through people's faiths and the way that it dictates and is unyeilding to other veiws. you are as bad as that which you hate. in fact, i'd call your screed self hate because you think so little of your fellow humans who are struggling through the bullshit just like you, having a really hard time of it. you must be projecting your personal dislike of yourself on others. stop it now.

get real. it doesn't matter what you or i think. stop spreading lies.

There is a alliance between Christianity and the United States government which is causing a lot of torture and death both within and outside of the territorial boundaries of the nation.

i don't mind occasionally trading barbs, but i've never crossed into hatred, although i've faced it down several times now. i prefer to live more cooperatively....

oh, and the United States even though screwed up, is still the best bet in the world and it's worth keeping, says me, a sovereign citizen of the state of california. i'm tired of this bogus push towards world totalitarian government. i don't need it and neither does the planet.

[garyb]

after thinking about it, maybe this is clearer.

i don't hold you as an atheist, any more responsible for mao's excesses(as ruler of an atheist state) than i hold christians responsible for the excesses of the catholic state. as offensive as you find my suggestions that atheists are warmongering mass muderers(as are mao, stalin, lenin and haha Christopher Hitchens, well Hitchens isn't a murderer afaik, but he is a war monger), christians and people of other faiths don't want to be called these things, even if many of their leaders are guilty. they'd like those guilty leaders brought to justice just like you would. the other people of the world are not your enemies(unless you're a psychopathic eugenicist).

these things are no joke and they are everyones problems. isms are not helpful to the solution. why not be just a little(lot) more respectful?

[braincell]

I can not for the life of me understand how anyone who has an imaginary friend in the sky can even start to comment on reality.

I didn't say persecution in China is good, I only mentioned that we have persecution here. In fact we have more. Christians are protected but many others are not.

[BingoTheClowno]

It is amusing how a single braincell and a single clown can manouver themselves totally in the off.

Now you clowns really mess up your credibility.
Even if in the past a human organisation called church, in that historical context, did wrong things, this is no support for your chichi doctrine.
You cannot make the logical bridge from medieval clerical despots to todays churches to christianity to religion in general.
In the same way I could say - which I dont - all americans are mass murderers, because they ordered to kill native indians in the last 2 centuries.

I am wondering if you are just idiots or if you are just trigger happy in being against something.
All your previous panting for facts and now this turns out to be on the intellectual level of a child.

Let us be clear:
Torture and dragooning of any kind and done by any authority is wrong. period.

So what has that to do with your quixotic atheist doctrine. ?
It is just a rhetoric device to discredit the today church(es).

Fine. If anyone follows that reasoning, you still have no reasoning why christianity or religion in general is evil.
And even more you have no reasoning at all why atheism as your desired replacement should chhange anything.

We had that before.
You are going in circles.
You are neither listening nor learning.
Dont you see that you look like stubborn 4 year old childs insisting to get their burger.

There is nothing to listen to. You are not reasonable. You keep trying to smear atheism with arrogant, insulting arguments without any foundation. That proves that you don't really believe in what you preach. All you want to do is obscure the facts with your lies and machinations. You make connections where there are none and then pretend it proved your point. It doesn't. You're deluded and hysterical. You have not brought one new argument in this discussion, but keep associating atheism with communism in order to smear atheism and aid your cause. That is not ethical and proves that you don't believe in religion. Just as abhorent are your insults when you run out of arguments. And that my friend is neither mature nor intelligent.

[garyb]

I didn't say persecution in China is good, I only mentioned that we have persecution here. In fact we have more.

that's just flat-out bullsh*t!

there are execution vans traveling around US cities harvesting skin, collagen and organs of "dissidents" and religious groups like in china? no, there are not! why? because this is not an atheist, totalitarian state, yet. before you say it, this is not a religious totalitarian state either! there are no death vans for atheists either.

stop lying to prove your point!

[garyb]

It is amusing how a single braincell and a single clown can manouver themselves totally in the off.

Now you clowns really mess up your credibility.
Even if in the past a human organisation called church, in that historical context, did wrong things, this is no support for your chichi doctrine.
You cannot make the logical bridge from medieval clerical despots to todays churches to christianity to religion in general.
In the same way I could say - which I dont - all americans are mass murderers, because they ordered to kill native indians in the last 2 centuries.

I am wondering if you are just idiots or if you are just trigger happy in being against something.
All your previous panting for facts and now this turns out to be on the intellectual level of a child.

Let us be clear:
Torture and dragooning of any kind and done by any authority is wrong. period.

So what has that to do with your quixotic atheist doctrine. ?
It is just a rhetoric device to discredit the today church(es).

Fine. If anyone follows that reasoning, you still have no reasoning why christianity or religion in general is evil.
And even more you have no reasoning at all why atheism as your desired replacement should chhange anything.

We had that before.
You are going in circles.
You are neither listening nor learning.
Dont you see that you look like stubborn 4 year old childs insisting to get their burger.

There is nothing to listen too. You are not reasonable. You keep trying to smear atheism with arrogant, insulting arguments without any foundation. That proves that you don't really believe in what you preach. All you want to do is obscure the facts with your lies and machinations. You make connections where there are none and then pretend it proved your point. It doesn't. You're deluded and hysterical. You have not brought one new argument in this discussion, but keep associating atheism with communism in order to smear atheism and aid your cause. That is not ethical and proves that you don't believe in religion. Just as abhorent are your insults when you run out of arguments. And that my friend is neither mature nor intelligent.

stop, you're killing me! no more clown comedy, please!

look bingo, just take all the "you"s in your screed and retype "I". it'll be closer to the truth. everyone knows that the foundation of the ccp-type government is atheism. that's not to say that atheists are killers any more than medieval catholic governments make catholics killers. never the less, the atheist communist governments that existed in russia and the current chinese regime ARE killers and they ARE atheist.

and christopher hitchens is a prick.

[BingoTheClowno]

Oh yes Clown, and out of your qualified mouth and approved by your behavior I take this very seriously my friend.
There is a long way to go for you.
You are in stormy waters for a while if not forever.
But hey, you know, only the best die young.
I wish you good luck and vaya con dios.
Let me know if I can help you in your struggle.

You know insulting me only proves how depraved religion is.
Go on, show your real you.

[BingoTheClowno]

everyone knows that the foundation of the ccp-type government is atheism.
and christopher hitchens is a prick.

That's what you learn if you attend the church regularly. Religion is based on lies and you are doing a fine job of propagating them.

[garyb]

That's what you learn if you attend the church regularly. Religion is based on lies and you are doing a fine job of propagating them.

see? that's what i'm talking about. your willingness to lie to win an argument. i never learned anything from attending church. i have NEVER been a church-goer, EVER. i just like the truth. i can only assume you're still being a funny clown.