V5 drivers

[dante]

...The Yamaha SW1000XG which cost me about the same price as a Luna the year prior wouldn't even run on XP. ...

A little off-topic, I know, but since you mention it; for info, Yamaha did release XP drivers for the SW1000XG card. I have one on a second machine and it still runs fine on XP here.

Admittedly I never spent too much time getting it to run on XP, cause by that time I had a Pulsar and gave the SW1000XG to a friend who had endless issues with it on XP, even after the latest drivers. May have just been his setup.

I'd be surprised if it would ever run 64bit, or anything after XP. I'm fairly sure the XP patch was the last yamaha ever did with it.

[astroman]

well, my RME 9652 (non DSP) also runs under XP, but it fails on any streaming or kernel-level-I-dunnowhat stuff...
in general that means no VLC media player, (most of) YouTube and iTunes

cheers, Tom

[Fluxpod]

well, my RME 9652 (non DSP) also runs under XP, but it fails on any streaming or kernel-level-I-dunnowhat stuff...
in general that means no VLC media player, (most of) YouTube and iTunes

cheers, Tom

Yeah.You made that painfully clear all over this board.If you did some research prior to buying this dud ...hey.HDSP is the Keyword;).

And this is for all people who think 198€ is too much for v5.Go and buy something in your pricerange or fuck off.

[nightscope]

I await "The Return Of The Clock" with good grace and patience.



ns

[astroman]

well, my RME 9652 (non DSP) also runs under XP, but it fails on any streaming or kernel-level-I-dunnowhat stuff...
in general that means no VLC media player, (most of) YouTube and iTunes ...

Yeah.You made that painfully clear all over this board.If you did some research prior to buying this dud ...hey.HDSP is the Keyword;).

to be honest I don't even mind...
I just keep posting this to all the whiners that pop up here at (almost) regular intervals
RME officials contribute in forums, but their news is simple: old device, no further support, period.
btw seems they had good reasons to add the DSP (what a boring outdated thing...)
sometimes my card is really strange on monitoring - actually I have no clue what this thing is doing exactly.
Even a Luna would be a tremendous step upwards, imho.
(as you may have guessed I have this card just to transfer some Adat channels, but this has it's quirks from time to time)

And this is for all people who think 198€ is too much for v5.Go and buy something in your pricerange or fuck off.

signed

cheers, Tom

[Mr Arkadin]

Oh, and if you planned ahead a little (like I did at the time) you could have got the update for €98.

[Fluxpod]

well, my RME 9652 (non DSP) also runs under XP, but it fails on any streaming or kernel-level-I-dunnowhat stuff...
in general that means no VLC media player, (most of) YouTube and iTunes ...

Yeah.You made that painfully clear all over this board.If you did some research prior to buying this dud ...hey.HDSP is the Keyword;).

to be honest I don't even mind...
I just keep posting this to all the whiners that pop up here at (almost) regular intervals
RME officials contribute in forums, but their news is simple: old device, no further support, period.
btw seems they had good reasons to add the DSP (what a boring outdated thing...)
sometimes my card is really strange on monitoring - actually I have no clue what this thing is doing exactly.
Even a Luna would be a tremendous step upwards, imho.
(as you may have guessed I have this card just to transfer some Adat channels, but this has it's quirks from time to time)

And this is for all people who think 198€ is too much for v5.Go and buy something in your pricerange or fuck off.

signed

cheers, Tom

Tom..seriously.They arent supporting your card-purchase.
I am running my multiface on lappy and pc for 9-10 years now fully supported.Its complety clear.You made a mistake in purchasing the card and you know it.
There is nothing wrong with rme or their development circles.You bought outdated hardware and now you get the results.Look further next time.

[garyb]

You bought outdated hardware and now you get the results.Look further next time.

i think that's the point...there's no point in whining at RME to support something that they've stopped supporting. at least Scope cards are still supported.



cheap is not always cheap. with my 2 15dsp cards and a 6 dsp card, the upgrade(if i hadn't already spent $100 on the 4.5, so v5 is free for me) is cheap for me even at 198e...

[PaulSh]

sorry, but totally disagree.

a favor??
drivers for the existing hardware??

Maybe Sonic Core could still produce PCI cards, maybe they can't. But my point is that a lot of people did NOT buy their cards from Sonic Core, they bought them from Creamware, a completely different company. When Creamware died, as I understand it Sonic Core bought the rights to their designs, but did not take on their liabilities - to do so would have been commercial suicide anyway. Therefore, even if Sonic Core still produces an equivalent product, we who bought our cards from Creamware have no automatic expectation of support and upgrades from Sonic Core, and certainly no expectation of free support and upgrades.

People who bought their cards from Sonic Core are in a different boat and could reasonably have higher expectations, but seeing as the exact terms of the 5.1 upgrade program have not yet been officially announced, that's a discussion that should wait until then.

[astroman]

You bought outdated hardware and now you get the results.Look further next time.

i think that's the point...there's no point in whining at RME to support something that they've stopped supporting. at least Scope cards are still supported...

I'm glad for your concerns, folks - but this was just an example that product change and stopping support is a completely regular process
and the card is probably even younger than a Pulsar...
some stuff I found strange and/or annoying is related to the backend of native processing and surprised me (because I wasn't used to it)
the card had a broken transmitter and was dead cheap

cheers, Tom

[dawman]

I bought my XITE-1 from Used Audio I thought, so I called Frank Hund and he was trying to explain to me why synths made in India sound better, then we were disconnected.

Its nice to see that the old Creamware cards work so well, that years later people are crying about their quality builds and hoping to continue using them.
The fact that they can't afford the drivers is heart breaking though. But hey, 64bit is no big deal, just a little more RAM.

And lets be honest. Most of these guys waited for Creamware to go down as they lurked around ebay, where they most likely bought the used 300 dollar card.....

[ARCADIOS]

sorry, but totally disagree.

a favor??
drivers for the existing hardware??

Maybe Sonic Core could still produce PCI cards, maybe they can't. But my point is that a lot of people did NOT buy their cards from Sonic Core, they bought them from Creamware, a completely different company. When Creamware died, as I understand it Sonic Core bought the rights to their designs, but did not take on their liabilities - to do so would have been commercial suicide anyway. Therefore, even if Sonic Core still produces an equivalent product, we who bought our cards from Creamware have no automatic expectation of support and upgrades from Sonic Core, and certainly no expectation of free support and upgrades.

People who bought their cards from Sonic Core are in a different boat and could reasonably have higher expectations, but seeing as the exact terms of the 5.1 upgrade program have not yet been officially announced, that's a discussion that should wait until then.

this is a theoritical truth.
but in reality it has only a small percentage of true in it since......
have a look
http://www.sonic-core.net/de/products/dsp14.html

is there any difference other than just the name for us customers??

and also i bet that the new company is continuing the "scope platform"
same philosophy
same modules
same synths
same mixers
......even fo r xite... SAME BUGS

this is what we have.
do not ask me what kind of contracts have been signed between the 2 companies.
also if i am not wrong... soniccore is a new name that takes things were creamware left them.
itr is not like theoritacaly for yamaha to buy soniccore...

[garyb]

you are wrong, but it would take so much typing to correct you...

i was there for the transition. YES, S|C has gotten ALL the CW records, website and tech. NO, the people involved in S|C had nothing to do with the guys from CW.

it is true that the two who run S|C were leaders in the teams that developed Scope in the first place, but they left years before the transition due to the first insolvancy. their purchase of Scope was an act of love, saving Scope from death. they must still make livings. how many people do you think S|C is? 100, 50, 20? think less than that. oh, and guess what? Scope doesn't make enough money on it's own for that HANDFUL of people to focus on it exclusively, although most of the other projects that make money are related.

look, all of you little babies, this is the real world where people need to feed families and pay rent, nobody's living at home with mommy and daddy. Scope is PROFESSIONAL gear that just happens to be priced like CONSUMER gear. i'm not saying that a poor job should be acceptable, but i am saying that only those who care about audio quality need to purchase it. those who only want free things should use something else. i'm not suggesting that people should be thrilled to spend more money, just that they stop thinking only about what they want like spoiled little children. it's time to be real. NO COMPANY IS REQUIRED TO UPGRADE OR IMPROVE ANY PRODUCT ONCE THE SUCKER HAS SPENT HIS MONEY. period. NO PIECE OF COMPUTER HARDWARE IS AUTOMATICALLY DESERVING OF NEW SOFTWARE WHEN TECHNOLOGY AND/OR OPERATING SYSTEMS CHANGE. period.

[Sounddesigner]

NO COMPANY IS REQUIRED TO UPGRADE OR IMPROVE ANY PRODUCT ONCE THE SUCKER HAS SPENT HIS MONEY. period. NO PIECE OF COMPUTER HARDWARE IS AUTOMATICALLY DESERVING OF NEW SOFTWARE WHEN TECHNOLOGY AND/OR OPERATING SYSTEMS CHANGE. period.

Bingo! This is the point that has gone overlooked for so long. I do believe if a company gives you free drivers updates it is a gift and when customers stop seeing it as a gift and rather choose to see it as something owed to them it only shows they're not deserving of that gift. If a company does'nt choose to give such a gift and customers complain and attack it only shows they don't deserve the gift anyways. If a person thinks such updates is truly owed when not given then take your case to Court and get laughed at. No contract stating such is owed then nothings truly owed. What you buy at the time of purchase is all that you paid for, if you have what you paid for then no one has done you wrong.

EDITED

[ARCADIOS]

NO COMPANY IS REQUIRED TO UPGRADE OR IMPROVE ANY PRODUCT ONCE THE SUCKER HAS SPENT HIS MONEY. period. NO PIECE OF COMPUTER HARDWARE IS AUTOMATICALLY DESERVING OF NEW SOFTWARE WHEN TECHNOLOGY AND/OR OPERATING SYSTEMS CHANGE. period.

Bingo! This is the point that has gone overlooked for so long. I do believe if a company gives you free drivers updates it is a gift and when customers stop seeing it as a gift and rather choose to see it as something owed to them it only shows they're not deserving of that gift. If a company does'nt choose to give such a gift and customers complain and attack it only shows they don't deserve the gift anyways. If a person thinks such updates is truly owed when not given then take your case to Court and get laughed at. No contract stating such is owed then nothings truly owed. What you buy at the time of purchase is all that you paid for, if you have what you paid for then no one has done you wrong.

EDITED

1. nobody claims that soniccore should provide updates free for ever.
2. to have pc cards that cost 4000 euros... free support released and porovided free by the companies(soniccore for ex.) is what the companies and IF they can afford it.
3. no company makes gifts.
it is completely theoritical and in that point of view... gift can be even the aura that is created by a singer when he sings in audience.

so... personally, i admire soniccore nomatter if it is composed by few people, even more this way, but.... I AM NOT FOOLED to bellieve that companies make gifts.
i will accept the upgrade and pay for it as owner of scope 5.
the same i did from scope 4 to scope 4.5(this one was less importand)
but.....NO GIFTS MAN....
if soniccore stops supporting.... i will accept it (after ww3 her e in Z offcourse) and i will work with other hardware.

basically i am a musician... and in our proffession when the recital ends... we sing 2,3 songs or ar ias.. FOR GIFT!!!!



and also it is how things work in general and what seems normal.

for instance... if you have bought scope 5, 1 month ago(not me) is it considered a GIFT the scope 5.1 upgrade if it comes free?????

[dante]

Well I am looking at the Luna box I bought 2 years ago. It doesnt say Windows 7 64 bit compatibility on it anywhere.

[ARCADIOS]

my cards say full software support for ever and ever. also say that if i don't like the cards for the first 10 years i can get my money back

now thats the wishlist... a good soniccore sequenser... so they can develop a weapon to fight protools.
this way they could make more reasonable and more existent the update of a software... and not of a driver


xite needs a scope console and a scope sequenser to become complete!!

[ARCADIOS]

Scope is PROFESSIONAL gear that just happens to be priced like CONSUMER gear.

+ console + sequenser=complete!! PROFESSIONAL gear

[garyb]

Scope is PROFESSIONAL gear that just happens to be priced like CONSUMER gear.

+ console + sequenser=complete!! PROFESSIONAL gear

uh, no.

[Mr Arkadin]

1. nobody claims that soniccore should provide updates free for ever.

Well actually they do, that's what this whole thread is about, or did you miss the OP and Mr 3styles?