Omnisphere has made it TO THE MAX!!!

[netguyjoel]

From playin the drums so long...my ears are not what they used to be. I wouldn't even try mastering at this stage. I'd be the one over EQing everything! But from that thread..I would imagine they would want a harsher angle to the soundtrack..imho

[braincell]

I imagine most or all of them have a lot of help but specifically my friend says Elfman didn't do anything other than approve or disprove what they were doing. I heard a rumor that he can't even read music. That would be unusual for a film composer!

[Nestor]

Yeah but to have a "Scopenisphere" (???) my poor old Pulsar card wouldn't handle the note on, let alone 1 note polyphony - it would force everybody to buy Xite. Like trying to put an elephant in a dog kennel.

In the end Sonic Core, NI, SPectrasonics et al have their own dreams, desires and ambitions for what they want to see in the music market. Let them all specialise in their own way. It gives us that great thing - choice.

I have no problems writing a track with Prisma, Miniscope, Kontakt 3 for whatever Scope can't do and Omnisphere together. Surely this benfits our creativity more than every company trying to outdo each other with variations of the same product.

Come on Nestor - give us an Omnisphere track in the music forum with some Scope synths & effects included

I will Neil, I will... it is just a matter of time for me. Cheers

[braincell]

In the end Sonic Core, NI, SPectrasonics et al have their own dreams, desires and ambitions for what they want to see in the music market. Let them all specialise in their own way. It gives us that great thing - choice.

I hope you aren't saying that companies shouldn't listen to customer input. They should all have a public comment section on their website especially if they are failing in the marketplace. We want a company to succeed don't we? This isn't just about making good stuff.

A year after I bought my Pulsar I, I returned to the shop where I got it and asked how sales were. I asked the same salesman who recommended the Pulsar to me. I had never heard of it. He said they weren't selling many because customers found them too expensive. After I relayed this information here, everyone jumped on me. He was a great salesman, he knew a lot, he pushed the cards but that didn't work. The financial value of anything is set by the marketplace, not what you think it's worth. Customer input is crucial. Then the Luna came out but it was too little too late. They were already sinking and no money for promotion.

Naturally the engineers were gifted. They shouldn't be in a bubble though. It is not enough to make cool stuff sometimes. Especially when you are starting off and nobody knows who you are. I remember the first Honda was basically a car made from a motorcycle engine with one seat in front and one in back.

Protools is a prestege item. That is not the same. People are willing to pay a lot more just to say they have Protools. Nobody knew who Creamware was and they don't know who SC is.

[Mr Arkadin]

btw Nestor i wasn't saying i though Omnisphere wasn't any good, just that i've heard the 'throw out everything you own' statement so many times and it's never true. i would also like to hear this, although to be honest what with all my Scope and GForce synths i feel i have enough .

[braincell]

I never throw out anything but then again, I have a lot of stuff I never use. It's just so much easier to use VSTi sometimes that you end up just using that.

[Nestor]

btw Nestor i wasn't saying i though Omnisphere wasn't any good, just that i've heard the 'throw out everything you own' statement so many times and it's never true. i would also like to hear this, although to be honest what with all my Scope and GForce synths i feel i have enough .

Yea, don’t worry, I understood you from the beginning. Of course when you say such an statement, it doesn’t mean it, it is a metaphore. I will never uninstall anything I already own for having a new synth. I think it could be translated like:

“From now and on, you will probably use almost always Omnisphere for your projects, reducing the use of the rest of your synths to about 10%”, something like that anyway…

[siriusbliss]

My friend is an arranger for Danny Elfman. Danny Elfman doesn't do anything. He has a team of 20 arrangers/composers. All he does is once in a while say he likes something or doesn't like it.

Yes, I've heard this as well.

Wish I had HIS job

Greg

[siriusbliss]

I never throw out anything but then again, I have a lot of stuff I never use. It's just so much easier to use VSTi sometimes that you end up just using that.

I use 'little' VST's like Crystal for coming up with stuff on my laptop, and soon, with Xite, will be swapping in the Scope stuff more. Somehow 'reverting' back to using hardware seems refreshingly 'old school' to an older fart like me.

Greg

[Neutron]

I really like NI "Massive" its a really gutsy synth,


some of the "vst sucks" comes from playing them on not so great sound cards. but
there are a lot of mediocre ones as well because they are easier to make, and just putting the "features" that might sell, and fancy graphics are more important than getting an original sound in a crowded market.

Cpu synthesis is just as valid as DSP or analog, when it is done right, sadly its hard to find the good ones.

[braincell]

I contend that as CPU continues to get more powerful, DSP won't matter anymore. That is why the SC gamble won't pay. A good ADC/DAC isn't much these days.

[valis]

Intel/AMD have significantly larger volumes shipping to pay for new fab processes and invest more in R&D, yet "DSP" chips and "CPU" chips get their performance gains from the same things (process shrinks and improvements in the features included on-die, etc). The underlying 'algorithms' that handle signal processing apply to either, so advances there can potentially be applied to either. And we've covered here plenty how CPU power is eaten up by all of the processes going on inside of a modern computer, while DSP deals only with the current task at hand for audio processing.

The only real advantage the 'cpu' has is economies of scale, but I doubt that DSP's will disappear at all. Analog Devices (and Motorola etc) have customers that go well beyond computer-hosting DSP cards, and in the audio market there are many other products besides just UAD/Poco/S|C dsp cards using these chips.

What you really mean to say is that 'DSP cards will cease to matter to you' and there are quite a few vst-only musicians around these days that does apply to, at least in the obvious ways. It's a mistake though to think that everyone thinks or does as you do...

[siriusbliss]

Let the DSP/GFLOP wars begin (or continue or whatever)...
http://www.dspguide.com/ch28.htm
http://sonalksisdev.blogspot.com/search ... ve&x=0&y=0

from this nicely educational thread:
http://forums.planetz.com/viewtopic.php ... a&start=20

(thanks again to all that participated)...

Greg

[valis]

That dspguide link is excellent, if memory serves even on the first page the chapter you linked begins to tackle this very topic quite nicely.

[dawman]

It actually proves the DSP rack was the perfect move.
Guys w/ MacPro Nehalems can't use all of the power they have.
14 and 15GB's of RAM is about max now on the 24GB Duallys.
Instead of having to go with 2 x newer CPU's each with 8 Cores in 2010 and spending 3000 bucks for a pair of those, an XITE-1 integrated into their sequencer apps and templates is a sound move.
That's why the OSX drivers/64bit, and further developement with integration using VST is key for SC.
This is what I am hearing from the guys who are so tired of upgrading their MacPro rigs that keep spending thousands, while their apps. are incapable of being recoded in a timely manner.
The ball's in SC's court actually.
Hell even Braincell might like SC again by the time we see these changes.
VST developers and O.S.'s are pulling their hair out right now jusy trying to do 64bit effectively.
Once a composer reaches the point where these giant templates can be loaded and run smoothly, they do not want to spend more money and be plagued with newer problems.
There are many users who seem to always be tinkering around having issues with certain applications playing nicely with new CPU's and VST upgrades, but these guys are more concerned with the art of perfection than the art of composing.
The future is integration. Just being a CPU/VST only type of guy is limiting one's self.
Being a DSP only kind of person is cheating yourself of the possibilites of having a VST seuqencer and some top shelf mastering plugs and synths. 2 years ago I still couldn't stand most VST synths. But Zebra, and Omnisphere are examples of developers taking advantage of powerful CPU"S. I wanted a DSP plug to do real time lo-Fi effects for synths or vocals, not possible I was told, no problem I bought the TBK2 from Sonalksis, but damn those plugs need juice, but sound really awesome.

Using both is the future. Just one or the other only reveals that persons lack of foresight, and stubborn prejudice. Convergence of these platforms is really dependant on the quality of the OSX/M$/VST integration. SC will sell the racks to Mac guys w/ PC slaves until this era evloves. But once SC gets back into the business of development and integration expect to see UAD and PoCo and ProTools nervous about CPU power......not SC.

[valis]

Mine is only a last-gen Xeon (2.66Ghz x8 cores & 8GB ram) and honestly I never tax it to its fullest when doing music, though I'm sure I could if that was my sole aim. An unfortunate fact of using computers though is the potential for improvement and attaching upgrade cycle, there's a drive to constantly update due to an ever shuffling of bugs, new features and potential security problems in the host environment.

The machine I have hosting my Scope cards is actually rather old, but being a Xeon it has held up fairly well and something like Omnisphere would actually sit quite nicely in Bidule running on it. I am able to bring it to its knees with only a few heavy tools (like Massive or I'm sure Omnisphere) but since I don't create songs using only a single instrument usually I'm sure it would be fine.

I really should make more use of Flexor & Modular, and between the Scope synths I have, various plugins and my external synths, I could say I probably don't use even half of what I've got now on a regular basis. Still out of all my tools my main DAW and Scope are the most used for doing musical tasks, Scope is very useful when I'm doing a lot of realtime work, when recording and for specific sound design & mixing tasks.

I've actually realized lately that my writing environment has become a lot more static in the last couple of years, and reflected on how much of my writing was driven by trying to learn the tools and instruments I brought into my musical environment. So I can see merit in the desire for newer and somehow 'better' tools, but at the same time I've got to admit the potential for using something new as a substitute for (the lack of my) creativity.

[braincell]

In the past there was a need to upgrade but so much now because the hardware and software got better. I'm going to focus on the saxophone.

[dawman]

It's all about templae size, workflow time, etc.
For just recording our music tracks a few at a time there is no great need for OctoCore, etc.
My live demands exceed that type of workflow, so I can relate to film composers needs for large templates, but most of us here can just track over and over, and if we get lucky and land a Major Motion Picture, then upgrade and spend 10000.
I think guys with 64bit OS's and a few Scope cards are going to happy and should be grateful they weren't left behind.
After SC sells all of their XITE-1's and upgrade their loyal customer base, I am confident that the migration to PCI-e cards will become a reality.
Becuase I make money on my investments I will have Solaris & XITE-1 paid for after 2 months of gigs.
I can sit back and smile as they continue to add more developments and watch this grow. If they stop development, that will be a sad day no doubt, but this really is a wise investment as long as your not a hobbyist.
And learning how to play a saxophone is a great idea.
That instrument will be years before anyone can come close to an emulation.
Only recently after 25 years of sampling technology has the Piano actually come close.

Peace & Insense To All....

[siriusbliss]

In the past there was a need to upgrade but so much now because the hardware and software got better. I'm going to focus on the saxophone.

...and I'm lovin' my 12-string acoustic a lot these days

Greg

[siriusbliss]

I will only go for upgrade path to Windows 7, 64-bit, and all that extra RAM when they are all flushed out in a year or so....

In the meantime Omnisphere is running fairly well on my current DAW, and unless I get a craw to get Vienna or some other big juicy sampler library for one project or another, then I have no other use for the horsepower - unless I get more concurrent video editing requirements, which is a whole other possibility.

Greg