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Ben Walker wrote:don't even have a TV.

Same here. No TV.

Atheists still need to believe that there is a God to not believe in.

Otherwise, why even bother defining oneself as an atheist?

Greg

siriusbliss wrote:Atheists still need to believe that there is a God to not believe in.

Otherwise, why even bother defining oneself as an atheist?

Greg

Faitheism: Does Atheism Require Faith?

funny, funny guys....


so....how's about when the cops follow you?

this sentence is a lie.

ReD_MuZe wrote:this sentence is a lie.

careful with that! Dr Who and captain Kirk have been know to explode computers with such language.

it only wrecks perfect ones.

siriusbliss wrote:Atheists still need to believe that there is a God to not believe in.

Otherwise, why even bother defining oneself as an atheist?

Greg

That's like saying that if you declare you don't believe in Santa Claus it means that you still need to believe in it. Frankly a bit poor.....

I have to remember once more that the definition of "Atheist" was first found in the text of criminal law of the Catholic church as a crime that was punished with the burning stake.

I don't believe in a bs. only if someone comes to me pretending that bs. is true. Otherwise I wouldn't even suspect that someone could have such an absurd fantasy. When not agreeing on somebody's point of view brings some nasty consequences like being killed or banned from a community here you have the definition of two political positions. I want to define atheist myself not because I have to demonstrate anything, I'm not pretending to impose an imaginary entity to anybody, but because I condemn the attitude of those who pretend to do so and want me to live the way they want.
The main difference between theists and atheists is that the first ones don't seem to be capable to accept the existence of the second ones because the doubt scares them, the second ones accept the differences as a good thing. Obviously they fight back impositions.

siriusbliss wrote:Atheists still need to believe that there is a God to not believe in.

Otherwise, why even bother defining oneself as an atheist?

Greg

In order for there to be the word "atheist", there has to be people who think there is a god. I agree with atheists that there is no god until proven otherwise which is highly unlikely.

Can someone make a graph of how many females say " Oh God " while having an Orgasm, and after so many months of sex with the same man finally start saying your name, then eventually getting to the point where during sex they say " we really should change the color of the paint " as they stare at the ceiling............ .

Nomad was perfect.

alfonso wrote: That's like saying that if you declare you don't believe in Santa Claus it means that you still need to believe in it. Frankly a bit poor.....

Alfonso, you're such a rebel...
in the Hogfather when the Auditors wish to have the Hogfather(a similar fictional character to Satan Claws) assasinated and it's remarked that he doesn't exist, the Auditor says "of course he exists! how else could you recognize his picture so quickly?".

true...

stardust wrote:
I really miss the substance beyond being against.

Sorry, against what?

You're right, you miss it.

logic and god debates don't work well. since paradoxes exist, then god must be bigger than logic.
besides, what is god?
describe it to me and i will tell you if i believe in it or not.

Well if you bring Flexor IV to the XITE-1, I will be able to proove there's a God.

God has a very specific meaning. God is an invisible being who watches over people and at the same time causes misery for no apparent reason. Sometimes quite randomly, god does good things; then he gets praise. When bad things happen god doesn't get blame, only credit for worse things not happening. Sometimes god will punish bad people but sometimes bad people don't get punished until after they die. God ensures that people never really die. They live in a cloud instead. This makes it easier to tolerate suffering since you will have a good time after you die unless you were bad.

it must be wonderful having it all figured out...

garyb wrote: in the Hogfather when the Auditors wish to have the Hogfather(a similar fictional character to Satan Claws) assasinated and it's remarked that he doesn't exist, the Auditor says "of course he exists! how else could you recognize his picture so quickly?".

Funny what people remember about books - with the Hogfather, it was the urinating pig I rememered the most

And "no", I'm not getting involved in this one - I was preaching about some of these issues last week and this week I have Sunday off

Neil B. wrote:

garyb wrote: in the Hogfather when the Auditors wish to have the Hogfather(a similar fictional character to Satan Claws) assasinated and it's remarked that he doesn't exist, the Auditor says "of course he exists! how else could you recognize his picture so quickly?".

Funny what people remember about books - with the Hogfather, it was the urinating pig I rememered the most

that part was good. all of that story was entertaining. it's too bad the main point of the story is what a great guy Death is(and that Justice is as fictional as the Easter Bunny, errr Soul Cake Duck just because it can't be quantified, another untrue truism, but also another point of contention)...