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MikeRaphone
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Post by MikeRaphone »

Oh Francis, come on.
I really hoped you'd put in some more effort :P
One line?
Anyway, of course you are right when you say i am stuck in dualistic thinking, and so are all of us. There is no other way to think- as long as we define thinkin' with using language, if you can point out a way how it is not so i shall be most astonished!
"Non existence" is obviously a word, it is a negation of the word "existence", but nevertheless we stay in the realm of language. And as long as we are confined to it we cannot avoid dualism. Mind you, i didn't make any statements about the ultimate nature of reality ;)

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May all sentient beings achieve liberation from suffering :)
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stardust wrote:
FrancisHarmany wrote: @stardust: dont get me wrong, I get the feeling you are very grounded, but defending the poeples right to be ignorant about the things gary talks about
Understood.
Ignorance of that kind will not be changed by naysaying, but only by good example and a way forward.
people don't need to be led, but if they are blindfolded, then it will seem so.

powermongers of all kinds have always held that the sheep need a shepherd...
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i'm not against a system organized to achieve a goal. there needs to be a coordinator so the effort isn't wasted. the problem comes when significant amounts of power get involved. at this point, all candidates become untrustworthy, worthy of inspection and rough treatment for abuse of that power. in fact, the opposite situation exists. we are under intense scrutiny always spied upon, while authority is to be bowed to and not questioned. all instruments of power are to be wielded for the obviously untrustworthy(because power corrupts), instead of those who have voluteered to give their power to the coordinator for the general good(you know, the rest of the people).

scheming against the public(don't even try to deny that such a thing exists) is the ultimate disrespect that "authority" can do. the thing is, the public is supposed to be the ones who lead. the leaders are coordinators(at least that's the idea of the so-called "democratic republic"). anything else is plain old dictatorship.

when i say people don't need a leader, they just need to know what's really up, it's because we will know what to do, we can stop doing stupid things, if the anti-virus can be run. i didn't mean that there should never be leaders. i mean it's not leaders that will make everything great. even in your projects of 3 or more that had a leader, it's everyone who did the work. while a good leader might be essential for success, the other members performancers had as much or more(since there are more of the others) to do with that success. all members of the team are equally important, the leaders are not better than the followers. they are not worth more as humans.

all this because i dissed the pope. i apologise to any Catholics i may have offended.
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yes, but whose power is it?
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