No article about Soniccore in magazins

husker · Post by **husker** » Tue Dec 18, 2007 6:16 pm

stardust wrote:nope

because it is Intel based notebook technology.
Once again.
It is not about the possibility to build a high end notebook. for a high price.
Any good sony vaio can do what a macbook can do, and if not now then next month. Maybe it is the same factory line in China that do the assembly.

I talk about a marketing campaign reviving a audio pro image of the early nineties that is not justified by any hard facts but a perceived superiority, that is more a higher degree of system integration that is paid with money and less flexibilty.

Nice and nothing that convinces me.

If M$ succeeds they will have that kind of user control with vista, but then not for the 5% but for the 80+ %

MacBooks are made by ASUS in Taiwan, even in the G4 days they were made by ASUS. Obviously there is a lot a Apple design input (although my 3 years old ASUS has 'magnetic catch technology'). There are about 3 Notebook makers in Taiwan that make 80% of the worlds notebooks of various brands. What's left over is Toshiba, Fujitsu and Sony from Japan (with some Chinese manufacturing plants) and that's about it...

dawman · Post by **dawman** » Tue Dec 18, 2007 6:57 pm

And what would we be paying for our great kit if it wasn't for China, India nad Mexico.

Post by **hubird** » Tue Dec 18, 2007 7:36 pm

I have no reason to doubt your words, husker

but it doesn't say anything regarding the quality.
Apple obviously buys quality, possibly another tries to make fast mony with a cheap manufactured model, it's all possible.
And doubtless happens.
I told you already by the difference between the original DVD drive and the one I bought from - yes - an Apple shop.
Same brand, just a higher type number.
I did hurt to think I have to do the old one away, as is a real thing to have in your hands, the weight is heavy, and it works perfect (only DVD+).
The new one feels like a toy

So far no problems, the original ones are ridiculous expensive, if you forget about the relative numbers sold of them.

And there's the labtop example from Darkrazin f.i.

kylie · Post by **kylie** » Wed Dec 19, 2007 2:06 am

hubird wrote:you can run Windows on a mac, try the opposite on a pc

you will be surprised what variety of platforms MacOSX can run on once you stripped the name and the shiny gui off and call it by it's real name: (X)BSD (for X put in your favourite BSD flavour, be it FreeBSD, OpenBSD, NetBSD, Dragonfly etc.pp.). OSX is just a well tailored BSD derivate dedicated to a proper built hardware platform. and that OSX does not run out of the box and without hacks on a PC that is mostly equally built is just because apple doesn't want it to.
it's their choice to do so, as it is your choice to buy a mac or to buy a pc

-greetings, markus-

astroman · Post by **astroman** » Wed Dec 19, 2007 5:07 am

kylie wrote:you will be surprised what variety of platforms MacOSX can run on once you stripped the name and the shiny gui off and call it by it's real name: (X)BSD ...

then use it like a real power user - by the command line and shell scripts

OSX is just a well tailored BSD derivate dedicated to a proper built hardware platform.

possibly, but the 'hardware platform' is pretty widespread, so why doesn't any other flavor of the afforementioned x-ish OSes 'run out of the box' ?

if it takes me an hour to design and write down an arbitrarily complex processing routine, you bet it will take a day or even more to embed that routine in a smart user interface. That's where the main effort is going today.

I'm really not a big fan of the OSX operating system concept, but Apple's embedding of 'unix' in a user interface that gets along completely without the shell and scripts is remarkable at least.

cheers, Tom

kylie · Post by **kylie** » Wed Dec 19, 2007 5:41 am

astroman wrote:
kylie wrote:you will be surprised what variety of platforms MacOSX can run on once you stripped the name and the shiny gui off and call it by it's real name: (X)BSD ...
then use it like a real power user - by the command line and shell scripts

1) I am fearless if it comes to the shell
2) all the major bsd ditributions (that is free-, open- and netbsd) officially ship kde and/or gnome, and although they are no competition to cocoa the shell doesn't have to be your friend

astroman wrote:
OSX is just a well tailored BSD derivate dedicated to a proper built hardware platform.
possibly, but the 'hardware platform' is pretty widespread, so why doesn't any other flavor of the afforementioned x-ish OSes 'run out of the box' ?

there are live cds which you can try even without instaling them. get yourself one and decide for yourself how far they are from "out of the box". they are, for sure, but maybe the gap has become much tighter over the years.

I'm really not a big fan of the OSX operating system concept, but Apple's embedding of 'unix' in a user interface that gets along completely without the shell and scripts is remarkable at least.

yes, and that's were a big part of your money goes. that's fine with me, and maybe one day I even spend that money. we'll see.

it would be great to have a test drive in advance, though, with an unsupported release not limited to apple hardware (but certainly limited to a basic hardware pool) running on a standard pc.
the mentioned project (first glimpse) reads as complicated as it might seem for a gui guy being confronted with the shell

-greetings, markus-

Liquid Len · Post by **Liquid Len** » Wed Dec 19, 2007 6:18 am

It's time to ask John for a mac corner on this forum

Just keep your Mac stuff on one thread (this one is good for now), don't get too emotional, and others like me can learn from reading all the strong opinions.

Yeah, sthey look nice, but it's under my table, I never look at it
I guess I'm the only one here that bought a pimped CPU case...

astroman · Post by **astroman** » Wed Dec 19, 2007 7:12 am

kylie wrote:...there are live cds which you can try even without instaling them. get yourself one and decide for yourself how far they are from "out of the box". they are, for sure, but maybe the gap has become much tighter over the years.
...

that's exactly what I did... the live CD usually runs, but obviously it's impossible to get it over to my disk... it's as cool as the Windoze installation from last night when the funny thing booted and half a minute later complained about 'cannot access boot device' LOL
I admit that I'm truely spoilt from the 'old Mac days' - even regarding Apple's new stuff. I respect a lot of it, but it completely lost it's advance in conceptual leadership.
Once it was Bauhaus programming - elegant design, compact and focussed on function

cheers, Tom

Post by **hubird** » Wed Dec 19, 2007 7:15 am

Liquid Len wrote:It's time to ask John for a mac corner on this forum

well that wasn't meant seriously of course

I was kinda invitation to look at the planetz site through mac users eyes: so much 'noise' which seems to be useless to a mac user to be bothered with too much.

darkrezin · Post by **darkrezin** » Wed Dec 19, 2007 7:41 am

astroman wrote: Once it was Bauhaus programming - elegant design, compact and focussed on function

True, but you can't apply the same standards nowadays - programming in general is massively bloated... there are lots of dev tools, APIs, and other fun things to deal with now. The old MacOS was really nice if you had very specialized needs such as just running 1 or 2 apps. But if you wanted to do multitasking it was rather a PITA.

kylie · Post by **kylie** » Wed Dec 19, 2007 8:06 am

astroman wrote:
kylie wrote:...there are live cds which you can try even without instaling them. get yourself one and decide for yourself how far they are from "out of the box". they are, for sure, but maybe the gap has become much tighter over the years.
...
that's exactly what I did... the live CD usually runs, but obviously it's impossible to get it over to my disk...

please keep in mind that several of those live cds are intended for just the purpose of booting and testdriving without installing it to disk (well, some offer that, but some don't).

it's as cool as the Windoze installation from last night when the funny thing booted and half a minute later complained about 'cannot access boot device' LOL

you messed it all up, did you?

-greetings, markus-

astroman · Post by **astroman** » Wed Dec 19, 2007 8:35 am

righty right, I did ...

I used an existing Win2K disk, plugged it to the new mobo... naively assuming it would ask for the 'new drivers' sh*t etc
I just needed a quick 'n dirty estimation of the performance the thingy would deliver - a Coreduo mobo with 2.2 CPU, 2 Gigs and a 512 MB GF8600 for 350 Euro was just too tempting.

So I resumed to the usual procedure, but missing that the mobo's 'utility CD' obviously is 'vista only' though the installer started under Win2K without complaints.
After downloading the required stuff from the gigabyte site, the chipset and graphic install went like a charm, to be honest.

cheers, Tom

kylie · Post by **kylie** » Wed Dec 19, 2007 8:44 am

astroman wrote:I used an existing Win2K disk, plugged it to the new mobo... naively assuming it would ask for the 'new drivers' sh*t etc
I just needed a quick 'n dirty estimation of the performance the thingy would deliver - a Coreduo mobo with 2.2 CPU, 2 Gigs and a 512 MB GF8600 for 350 Euro was just too tempting.

I expect a similar mess should you be tempted to connect your old mac's disk to a new intel mac just to see if there's a boost in performance

EDIT: no, I expect it to be even much much worse

bill3107 · Post by **bill3107** » Wed Dec 19, 2007 9:02 am

here in France, i have already seen several articles about ASBs (e.g. : Recording magazine, which is the most impoprtant and professionnal one) .... and reviews were very good.