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dante wrote:

niceboy wrote:Scope is not depending on computer processor.
Bear

Well Scope is depending on computer processing in terms of sample rate. In that Scope and Host need to be running at the same sample rate. So therefore the higher you push Scope, the more work Host has to do to keep up.

Well Dante !
he has learned a lot about ADAT now,
because he asked both Gary and me,
and if he starts to use ADAT only like us in a Scope computer ,
at least the sample rate is not an issue , because he is riding directly on the optical signal,
When using only ADAT.
If he then in another computer is choosing example MADI,
that is also dsp ,but applications used there is working with samplerate,
but then its 32 instead of 64 thats lowest in 48 KHZ?
Bear

Ok, i've worked on it !
I got at least 4 different setup, I think 3 of them are appropriated for different situation.
the 1st one I've called LIVE&RECORD+Samplitude24channels&2STM24. It could be better as I use 2 STM24, as I could use 1 with direct output, but it's interesting because I got direct input in multichannel from samplitude to th 2nd STM24.


The 2nd one called LIVE&RECORD+SamplitudeSTEREO&1STM24. It goes live with a direct output to STM for Samplitude, which goes to a stereo channel of the STM24. I can choose my aux with samplitude or scope just by relinking the Pulsar2 Adat A.


The third one is called LIVE&RECORD+SamplitudeSTEREO&1stm24DirectOut.
It's the same as the 2nd one, but i've connected the direct out of the STM to ASIO input as Gary said.


And the last one, RECORD+Samplitude&1STM24: totally with Samplitude, Asio input, not made for live at all.


Which one do you prefer ?
I like the 3rd one for Live+ recording, as the 1st one becaus easio multichannels output, and the last one for recording alone.
With those setup, I don't have to change cables everytime to have the better setup for each situation (I think).
edit: I've changed the outputs of the STM in all the configurations in order to have ctrl and std on the right monitors, instead of being into Mix all the time.

guppy wrote:Ok, i've worked on it !
I got at least 4 different setup, I think 3 of them are appropriated for different situation.
the 1st one I've called LIVE&RECORD+Samplitude24channels&2STM24. It could be better as I use 2 STM24, as I could use 1 with direct output, but it's interesting because I got direct input in multichannel from samplitude to th 2nd STM24.


The 2nd one called LIVE&RECORD+SamplitudeSTEREO&1STM24. It goes live with a direct output to STM for Samplitude, which goes to a stereo channel of the STM24. I can choose my aux with samplitude or scope just by relinking the Pulsar2 Adat A.


The third one is called LIVE&RECORD+SamplitudeSTEREO&1stm24DirectOut.
It's the same as the 2nd one, but i've connected the direct out of the STM to ASIO input as Gary said.


And the last one, RECORD+Samplitude&1STM24: totally with Samplitude, Asio input, not made for live at all.


Which one do you prefer ?
I like the 3rd one for Live+ recording, as the 1st one becaus easio multichannels output, and the last one for recording alone.
With those setup, I don't have to change cables everytime to have the better setup for each situation (I think).
edit: I've changed the outputs of the STM in all the configurations in order to have ctrl and std on the right monitors, instead of being into Mix all the time.

Thats looks good.
You still have a lot to use of dsp that you have got.
I like the first one best because you loaded two mixers,
and that means 12 Aux .
This is the right way to mix drums with Aux.
http://www.xited.org/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=988
I dont know if you have the plugins for the Master though.
SPL can be found elsewhere if no more for sale here,
but Digital Audio Soft has one free similar plugin called DAS TR1D
We use feedback here ,and its actually amplifying the drums
Most technicians dont know how to do this.
Thats because it was mainly only Rolling Stones that used feedback all the time,
among Hard Rock.
Bear

for recording, i would never want to monitor through the sequencer. any sequencer....

i'm glad that you are finding ways to make things work.

personally, it's more trouble for me to try to make a do-it-all project. i just have a basic one and then modify it as needed. in the long run, it's a lot less stress. the patch bay(and routing window) is your friend.

dante wrote:

niceboy wrote:Scope is not depending on computer processor.
Bear

Well Scope is depending on computer processing in terms of sample rate. In that Scope and Host need to be running at the same sample rate. So therefore the higher you push Scope, the more work Host has to do to keep up.

Thats not true if you dont use a sequenser in the Scope computer,
like we do .
We moved that process to our W7 64 12 GB RAM
using Waves Multirack in HDSPe MADI.
The Sample Rate you can forget in our sequenser free Scope Computer.
That you can ask Ralf about but I think Gary knows that.
Bear

The third one with direct out was perfect before I saw that it's real stereo and I often want to go mono into samplitude.
Maybe his littlle brother the one with live input which goes direct to Asio is better for me (the 2nd one called LIVE&RECORD+SamplitudeSTEREO&1STM24, it's the same without direct out, that I can go mono into samplitude).
Can STM direct output be mono ?

In fact, i'm trying to have a configuration for jamming, that all the tracks are recorded and can be easily edit after with the less of pain when changing setup for each part of the work, because i need to play bass in the same time
By working on scope a lot, I can now change things in the setup when I need, but it's must be fast and easy to do, because it's very hard for me to play music and stay careful with the sound

Now, I find the 1st one is ok for live recording, and the second one too, but the 3rd one with direct output can't be ok as it's stereo direct out and I don't want to have to manage 48 asio input
To record an instrument on some already recorded music with latency, the last one seems ok., but the 1st and the 2nd too I think.

guppy wrote:The third one with direct out was perfect before I saw that it's real stereo and I often want to go mono into samplitude.
Maybe his littlle brother the one with live input which goes direct to Asio is better for me (the 2nd one called LIVE&RECORD+SamplitudeSTEREO&1STM24, it's the same without direct out, that I can go mono into samplitude).
Can STM direct output be mono ?

In fact, i'm trying to have a configuration for jamming, that all the tracks are recorded and can be easily edit after with the less of pain when changing setup for each part of the work, because i need to play bass in the same time
By working on scope a lot, I can now change things in the setup when I need, but it's must be fast and easy to do, because it's very hard for me to play music and stay careful with the sound

Thats a great question I want a new plugin that can make mono from Stereo,
That only Aux can do now but I want my Aux for Amplifying.
Bear

Ok, After looking closely to all the possiblities, and all you have learn to me, it seems that the 1st setup can do all that I want : live without latency, and working into samplitude with asio direct out for each channel into the 2nd STM, which can be manage totally separated, and at least I can choose my aux from samplitude or from STM. As my mix monitors accepts analogic and aes/ebu connections and choose the monitor input I want to listen, i've connected the 2 STM on each monitor input ....I don't know if it's more simple to do this, but it's funny

Tis setup looks like semi-analog method (1 analog mixer for live, another mixer from the sequencer for working with asio direct outputs to STM...or not ), and it's cool that I can transfer channel properties from one STM to the other with the channel presets if an instrument sounds well live.
It's a heavy set-up, but I must be near what I search.

guppy wrote:Ok, After looking closely to all the possiblities, and all you have learn to me, it seems that the 1st setup can do all that I want : live without latency, and working into samplitude with asio direct out for each channel into the 2nd STM, which can be manage totally separated, and at least I can choose my aux from samplitude or from STM.
It looks like semi-analog method (1mixer for live, another mixer without the mix from the sequencer for working )
It's a heavy set-up, but I must be near what I search.

What are you searching for

Yes
I think I won't move a lot from the 1st setup, but if it becomes too heavy, I can go to another one, the 4th one could be cool a this moment, but I don't know.
after considering it, the 1st one with 2 mixers is the best at all, i'll try to stay on this kind of setup.

guppy wrote:Yes
I think I won't move a lot from the 1st setup, but if it becomes too heavy, I can go to another one, the 4th one could be cool a this moment, but I don't know.
after considering it, the 1st one with 2 mixers is the best at all, i'll try to stay on this kind of setup.

One thing I remember now that Ralf told me, is that you can load many STM mixers and they are built into the system,
in another way than Xite.
So you can probarbly just load at least 3 STM mixers.
Bear

I use Samplitude in a combination tracking and live configuration where it's possible to switch monitoring depending on whether you're tracking, or listening to playback.

Simplest way to incorporate Scope effects in Samplitude is to just use a dedicated ASIO chain in Scope and bring the ASIO back into a SEPARATE channel, and monitor that channel on a SEPARATE track in Samplitude.
This works much better than trying to use effects INSIDE Samplitude aux channel as a 'hardware insert'.

I'm away from the studio on vacation right now, so I can't post a screenshot, but my main project is similar to a blending between your no.2 and no.3 projects.

Carry on...

G

Yes, it could be interesting !

garyb wrote:also, things that use the host computer's resources like a reverb do affect the host's ability to do work. all resources are limited.

That I agree totally with in 45 dsp.
We reached the top when we loaded the reverb here ( RMX160 )
We wanted it so much ,so we fighted us through the limitations ,
that came with loading just 1 major Reverb in one large project.
The second Master reverb we have in Xite.
It does not matter that we have to make the Voice and Organ in Xite.
Thats because we got everything for drums and others loaded well
In the Future we might buy the boxes ,they sell here to load PCI with express.
Dont ever use more than 3 together , and then you need 3 STM bands,
to stabilise the dsp comunication between the cards
We can still use both mixer extra channels for drums and others ,
heavy plugins is not needed for everything or drums.
Using ADAT to Xite is not using the Sample Rate function
Its riding on the speed of light ( optical ADAT )
Bear