Omnisphere has made it TO THE MAX!!!

[garyb]

First of all, it is my understanding that a company either allows third party developers or not. In this case, the company has allowed some third parties but refused others for no particular reason. Secondly, Creamware was a dismal failure financially so allowing open source could have been no worse than their plan was. The jury is still out on SC but I predict the same outcome of failure.

no, you really don't know what happened. your understanding is only partially correct. you're entitled to your opinions and speculations, though. i just wish it was a little less toxic. anyway, i've got no issue with your sampler wishes. really though, isn't this an area that native does well already?

[Nestor]

Yes he can play..
He use to jam at the NAMM shows back in the '90's.

Just ask yourself this.............

A guitar player made MoJo.......how does it sound and react?
A synth designer/performer made Prowave and Solaris.....how does it sound?
A Keyboardist made Omnisphere................well. we know it's fierce, even for a .....uhummm......VSTi.
That's the trend I have seen w/ sample libraries.
SampleTekk Pianos, small in size big in sound and feel, made by a Pianist.
LASS has not been released, but I have 2 very nice sounding string instruments from VSL and SISS, but they just don't react like a string section does.
But LASS is made by a composer/performer who does string sounds in movies, and has been frustrated with the " engineered " instruments we all use.
I have done pretty well with my libraries from guys I know that use the instrument they are emulating, not just a scientist w/ a white coat, or engineer who wants to discuss the 1-4msec. sample delay betweem the left axis of the right conundrum in relation to the suns solar energy, etc.etc...........How does it fuckin' sound and play, and don't lie to me and insult me with pretty pictures of the 4 Million dollar concert hall you rented just to record this..............

ANyway, I should go and see this for myself, Ihave a buddy who knows what I like and even he says you gotta stop over.
I know you have good ears and can play Nestor, so I shall investigate, and possibly might commit the sin of buying a VSTi. But only because it's from Eric Pershing....

What a great post! That's true Jimmy, there is indeed a straight relation between the player and the instrument, something to take into account from now and on when getting an instrument: lets buy food from people that actually eat and like them.

[garyb]

Just ask yourself this.............

A guitar player made MoJo.......how does it sound and react?
A synth designer/performer made Prowave and Solaris.....how does it sound?
A Keyboardist made Omnisphere................well. we know it's fierce, even for a .....uhummm......VSTi.
That's the trend I have seen w/ sample libraries.
SampleTekk Pianos, small in size big in sound and feel, made by a Pianist.......

Leo Fender never played an instrument....

[braincell]

I don't know if NI does it well. I guess so. Anyway there are enough analog synths already so this is an area which needs development. What ever happened to resynthesis? I thought that held promise. It would be cool if SC did something like Omnisphere.

[braincell]

Leo Fender never played an instrument....[/quote]

I don't think Moog played much either.

[garyb]

I don't know if NI does it well. I guess so. Anyway there are enough analog synths already so this is an area which needs development. What ever happened to resynthesis? I thought that held promise. It would be cool if SC did something like Omnisphere.

no, i just meant "native"(cpu) developers in general(giga, kontact).

[valis]

The samplers on CW are limited by the bus between them & the main system memory. This was covered AGES ago. I recall reading a while back that Xite had some onboard memory (much like the original Scope DP cards did) but I don't recall it being enough to do a proper sample-based 'rompler'. I don't see many people complaining that emu or akai haven't released machines capable of loading 300Gb sample programs with 'disk streaming', even though such a thing could potentially be possible by the time you get there you're basically running a computer (1TB HD & 2Gb of ram?). S-5000/6000 even used an Intel cpu for their OS...

The CW STS series replicates the akai samplers fairly well. They don't compete well with the 'popular' software solutions right now but there are still a few things they can do that many software based samplers can't, so it's nice to have them around.

Anyway this is close to 2 pages of derailing a non-Creamware/SC thread about an entirely diff product just for the sake of airing things that you've said dozens of times already. Let's stick to the subject the OP started perhaps? If you really want to complain still or have your retorts go make another thread...

[braincell]

Back to the subject of samples. The bus might not support streams but there is a lot you can do with samples besides just playing them back!

A faithful replica of the Akai samplers? Who cares? That sampler was from 30 years ago!

[valis]

In the realm of 'musical tools' there are many things still in use that were made '30 years ago', don't be daft

[braincell]

That is because of the total lack of imagination of the engineers. It is much easier to copy something than to come up with something new. The Mona Lisa was a great painting but if I copy it, it's just a bullshit reproduction no matter how "identical" it looks.

[valis]

Well since that we've completely run this thread into the ground for now, I think I'll just do as the rest are and ignore you until someone decides to post something back on-topic.

[braincell]

You just made an off topic post.

[siriusbliss]

I say it's possible to build Omnisphere in Scope now using the filters, arpeggiators, etc. and about 8 STS's to hold samples that can be manipulated at will.

Now all we have to do is burn some pianos, play some telephone lines with a violin bow, drop stuff off roofs, and/or blow things up and record it.

Greg

[Neil B]

Yeah but to have a "Scopenisphere" (???) my poor old Pulsar card wouldn't handle the note on, let alone 1 note polyphony - it would force everybody to buy Xite. Like trying to put an elephant in a dog kennel.

In the end Sonic Core, NI, SPectrasonics et al have their own dreams, desires and ambitions for what they want to see in the music market. Let them all specialise in their own way. It gives us that great thing - choice.

I have no problems writing a track with Prisma, Miniscope, Kontakt 3 for whatever Scope can't do and Omnisphere together. Surely this benfits our creativity more than every company trying to outdo each other with variations of the same product.

Come on Nestor - give us an Omnisphere track in the music forum with some Scope synths & effects included

[Neutron]

personally when it comes to VST synths i really like "massive" but thats just because it sounds great and is fun to control from hardware.

[dawman]

The entire movie was done with Omnisphere.
Danny Elfman has sure come a long way since Oingo Boingo.

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[netguyjoel]

I can't even list the Tim Burton films he's done. I think his big break into film scoring..was Pee Wee's Big Adventure.

I'd have to look at his bio..

[Shroomz~>]

The entire movie was done with Omnisphere.
Danny Elfman has sure come a long way since Oingo Boingo.

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After going to watch Terminator Salvation, Bob Katz thinks the sound track is something that Audio Professors should use it as an example of WHAT NOT TO DO in their lectures. He's talking about the mastering compression rather than the actual content though... more here

[braincell]

My friend is an arranger for Danny Elfman. Danny Elfman doesn't do anything. He has a team of 20 arrangers/composers. All he does is once in a while say he likes something or doesn't like it.

[dawman]

BKatz made me not want to see the movie..............
I have noticed what he mentions about over compression in recent movies.
I also noticed how someone complimented the Gladiator movie scene where the Strength & Honor speech happened. I have to agree with the Gladaitor comment because I have seen that one.
Many of these 5.1 mixes for movies I have seen with my son and his friends are all pretty amazing, but the word overcompression is a polite way of saying over automated and machine reliant.....proper for a Terminator movie I suppose.
I can't see how anyone could out do the mix and choice of synths in Sperminator 1 to be honest.
All of those Oberheim/Prophet sounds were so cool and sparesly used to great effect.
The musical segues were perfectly robotic too. I don't know if JohnCarpenter mixed his synth parts but that soundtrack was spectaular. Even the radio in the car playing the DMX/SP12 sounds at lo-fi and over EQ'd brought a smile to my face.
I must go see the movie now just because of the negative comments I read.
I really miss the peace of not having a child......In between sons I could wait for the movie to go to DVD, and finally cable. Now days I am uncool if I don't take the neighborhood on the first day of a release.
This actually made me think of Clint Eastwoods last movie.....I can't even remember hearing any music at all....What an effective dialog.

Yes the famous guys have many arranger/composers working underneath them.
I can just imagine how many coffee runners and assistants to the assistants those sessions must have. I would really love to be involved in something like this someday.
I have only done TV commercials for Car dealers, FAT Burger, and crappy low budget PBS stuff where nobody works with you in person, but they just don't return your calls after submitting a final mock up......

Good find Shroomz.