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Hey Astroman, I would like to see how you would sing live with all the elements you have imaginarily included in the microphone channel... I am pretty sure that pretty bad... even with the help of them...

Astro, there are no pitch correction, harmonizing, doubling, or transient design as you suggest in these performances, not even half of what you imagine in terms of effects. There is a compressor, an EQ and then a studio reverb, the rest is singing and I doubt very much that you could achieve, with all the effects of the world you want, a good performance.

Anyway people you don’t need to agree with me about anything, I like how these two women sing and that’s my choice, do you think I’m going to change my taste because you get philosophising about life and death? Make it simple... What do you like? Post it here, this will be your best answer I guess.

BTW I'll bring some more... he he....

I expect better choices from this group Nestor.

I can not overlook bad music and a bad arrangement. The singing was not spectacular either. Something has gone horribly wrong in modern culture and I hear it all over the world. It is a similar sound in many countries. What people think is good music I don't get. It's pathetic. The only hope is the internet which is making diverse forms much more available. Unfortunately this probably means less money for artists but the music is more important than the financial welfare of musicians.

Another great voice:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tEq_Dabn ... ry%20Music

On 2006-10-07 07:57, braincell wrote:
I expect better choices from this group Nestor.

I can not overlook bad music and a bad arrangement. The singing was not spectacular either. Something has gone horribly wrong in modern culture and I hear it all over the world. It is a similar sound in many countries. What people think is good music I don't get. It's pathetic. The only hope is the internet which is making diverse forms much more available. Unfortunately this probably means less money for artists but the music is more important than the financial welfare of musicians.

I agree with you Brain, I just love their voices, that's all... And I think what I could do in my studio with them, it would be a dream. I like fusion, so the music they sing is far appart from my likes, but I like their voices. Particularly the Carrie Underwood timber is fantastic.

If you want to have a good laugh, here you will about the topic of American Idol:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=plJA-AxrmVU

On 2006-10-07 07:07, Nestor wrote:
...Astro, there are no pitch correction, harmonizing, doubling, or transient design as you suggest in these performances, not even half of what you imagine in terms of effects.
... and I doubt very much that you could achieve, with all the effects of the world you want, a good performance...

C'mon Nestor, of course that voice was doubled, it's the most simple thing to detect...

I have no intention to change your taste, my own is pretty bad anyway - I like Gwen Stefani (and be it only for the dress she had on in the Don't Speak video) and even some of Kylie Minogue's records

noone in this domain goes on stage without intonation correction - if you want I can post a Sinatra from 53 or a Diana Ross from 68 or a young Millie Jackson, if you long for a 'pure' voice.
You will not find any similiarities to those current performances

anyway, but how could you know that I ruined my voice as a schoolboy in the soccer arena ?
I'm pretty sure I never mentioned it

cheers, Tom

A frustrated one, quite a good voice, and there I can see what you're talking about:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OG2-VD8e2e4

Again, I whish I could work with such a voice in my studio...

Astro, I can hear very clearly they are “out” of tune in many passages, so... there is not such an effect and voices are not doubled either, I also can hear man.

Perhaps the best way would be for somebody co contact the producers and ask them... but fortunately for me, this is not as important as to spend my life in finding out what they use... I have much better things to do

All I say is that I like their voices, is it so hard to understand?

More for haters and lovers alike

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JLie_RqE ... ed&search=

Or perhaps in the beholder of the eye? Or is the eye that is beholding the perhaps? Or the beholder is perhaps in the eye? Who knows...

Nestor, no problem to disagree about the Tori chick
btw I haven't watched it to finish the first time, just until she starts that ultra long note...
maybe you peek again right at that point. And then you gonna tell me that's a 12 year old girl's vibrato... (it's entirely artificial - Autotune) and right after that point you can even hear the correction's grip

here's one for you
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=giBhghjTzwE
what I'd consider a voice, the 'style' may be questionable, tho
for your convenience here's a sample of the same song (the album version from a german music shop)
http://www.jpc.de/sound/634/6343749_03.wma
sometimes production sucks entirely... I'd buy the live performance in the studio immediately - the album makes me vomit

cheers, Tom

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Nice Astro, and totally doable .

Yeaaaa whatever, you win, everything I posted is whatever you want it to be, that's fine. :8

Now go get a good cup of caffe and read something interesting. Good bye you buch of controvertial phylosophers...

you're kidding, Nestor
I didn't post the links to prove you wrong, but as an example where the 'voice' stands out against (todays omnipresent) processing.
It allows to compare a live performance (in the TV studio) versus the actual CD record.
My negative comment regarding production referred to that special record only.
Though it applies to all of her CDs unfortunately...
But that's just my humble taste - millions of people prefer Celine Dion, Mariah Carey or Beyoncee Knowles etc

cheers, Tom
(coffee and cigar were very good btw)

Cool Astro

The one that comes from your imagination

Yea, Planet Z side... he he...

Now, lets take some fresh air...

that dog won't hunt...