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I've the solution for this problem if you work with Logic Audio. It has to do with the settings in logic synhronization preferences. Turn off the option "send midi clock" to a pulsar midi channel/port. this triggers stuck notes. I could never fix this problem whatever i did, chang irq, physical slots , another motherboard , tweaking windows , etc. i've tried all. I don't know any solutions for nuendo/cubase or other sequencers.

good luck,

michiel

i've to say. This problem only ocurs when i use the physical midi-in on the pulsar card(cable). Since i use 2 computers, 1 with rme hammerfall9652 for tracking and pulsar pc for mixing (connected with adat)i have to route from the rme pc with amt 8 to pulsar midi in. When i used my sequencer in the same pc as pulsar i don;t have any problems since routing is internally.

cheers

ok guys. i think that's it.
i will start searching for another pro audio pc
equipment including scopes cards.
i liked them and i am sad that i will probably sell them. perhaps it is better this way.
ok. i put the clavinova in the ups, everuthing has good voltage.
the stucking key issue is a creamware synths and samplers problem.
that's why propellerhead software does not have stucks.
and it is not the midi cable or scopes midi source and dest.
these are ok since propellerheads reason takes midi from scopes io's.
the problem is with scopes devices that react really metaphisically.
sometimes the do not stuck, after a while they will stuck, and then you put amidi filter, they do not stuck for a few minutes and you think that the problem was solved with the midi filter, but then they stuck agai.
another fake solution is to reload the synth, and then you think that it is stable, but no!! it stucks again. randomlly. you never know when it will stuck.
i am tired from this.
i have tryied everything.
standard pc, acpi differnt combinations of midi filtering, mergers, the simple way, nothing.
and at the end i do not want to show this to other people because they say o! what crappy situation can WINDOWS cause.
and i know it is not windows fault.
it is creamware synths.

and to be honest i am ungry as well and hungry for other really good pro cards!

yesterday i finished was playing for about 15 to 20 minutes without stucks and then i shut off the pc.
today with exactly the same configuration i faced about 2,3,4,5,6 and some times 7 to 10 simultaneus stucks.
randomlly and without a specific reason.
sorry.
really sorry.
i have spend much money for these divices and i realize that it is not worth it.
sorry
sorry
sorry

no stucking notes here.

I agree about random Scope problems - but one thing to do before you sell everything, is get a
*** pro anti-spyware, and a
*** pro anti virus (not same thing).

This solved 99 % of my Scope problems, and I had it freezing, PCI bandwidth probs etc. After tweaking for ever, these clean-ups fixed everything. (I had 200+ spyware, malware etc 'things' on my system that free anti viruses had missed completely).

(Apart from the stuck notes, on specific Scope synths, therefore it is an internal synth programming problem).

I use AVG Gold with a firewall, and Spyware Doctor (Microsoft has a free antispyware program too, I use both).

I run my system with Scope playing, online, with firewall on, can open other programs, USB, firewire, do anything, all stable - amazingly.

The stuck notes is separate from all this Scope tweaking. It is a synth issue, and Scope SHOULD do a bug fix - if they had any programmers that is!!! All these sytnhs are version 1.0 - when did they ever upgrade them?

djmicron, from la scala di milano please tell me your exact configuration, pc and scope routing windo connections.

geoffd99, i use another hd only for audio without any internet, and if you see my irqs you will notice that i have already disables everything that makes sharring, and my cards a re put in pci slots that do not share anything.

Yes, I did all that too, but if it is only stuck notes you have, I doubt if it is the PC hardware setup (although GaryB says not).

A long and expensive path.

On 2006-03-16 06:29, ARCADIOS wrote:
djmicron, from la scala di milano please tell me your exact configuration, pc and scope routing windo connections.

i use the scope system by 1999 on a p2 450 with win 98 se and 512 of ram, now i'm on a amd 64 3400 with 1.5 gigs of ram and asus k8n mainboard with 2x scope srb (first generation) and a powersampler card, win xp sp2, no internet connection, 4 virtual midi ports activated, u2w scsi hd for audio, ethernet enabled for a second amd pc used as fx teleport server.
I have enabled 384 mega of virtual memory and i always take a look on the cpu usage of nuendo and the memory used by the system.

For example in the project i'm working on, i have opened 1 minimax with 2 poly voice that plays a fast 16 th sequence with a short note bass, 1 pro 12 with 2 poly voice that plays a pad sidechained in the stm 2448 mixer, 4 old sample players processed into 4 modular filter patches, 12 24 bit asio channel connected to the stm 2448, 4 instances of psy q, 6 of vinco, 4 of dadev a23st, some channel using sidechain with internal stm compressor, some active eq, delay, etc.

The only problem i have had was about negative delay on recording notes with nuendo (not related to scope devices, but with vsti too) and solved by disabling direct draw from dxdiag.

For dsp intensive synths, such as the solaris, i create my own samplebanks with it, to be played from samplers.

My master keyboard is oberheim m2000.

p.s. i'm not from la scala

la scala is the opera, is it a name of the place also?
well, i suppose that the oberheim2000 is far better than my clavinova.
about nuendos delay on midi recording i solved it by having emulated midi in nuendo2. nuendo 3 works fine with non emulated ports.
about scope now, as you can check from my post before, my pc seems to be ok.
vst and other synths work fine.
only scope synths stuck even through nuendo or just alone.
all synths stuck.
i am not going to ask you if you have checked it with higher polyphony 10 or more, i suppose you already have.
for me it seems like there is problem with dsp usage, or something related to scopes synths.
very very confused. how can it be so stable to you guys and not to me.
is it possible for the clavinova to be the problem?
but how can other sytnhs be ok? vst and other?

i think i found something.

Please give me your knowledge here and i really thank you in advance before i leave you guys( i hope not, but chances are less than 10%, because i like your company).
anyway:

as you know i face this stucking issue.
NOW I TRIED THIS

drawed many midi notes in nuendo and pu them playback and at the same time recording them in another midi channel.
i put minimax in polyphony 8 and six string in the same polyphony playign.
no stucks at all when playing midi data drawed!!!!!!!!!!!
but stucks when playing from midi keyboard.

what do you think?
so, is the f..... keyboard that sends this trash to scope? how the other synths than scope do not stuck with the same keyboard?

tell me are you pretty syre it is the keyboard?
keyboards highly reccomended????

Yes! I just might be the keyboard, it's been mentioned several times before. The two things you want to try before you blow another 5000$ on a new setup:

- Try another controller keyboard. Anything that sends MIDI will do, ask one of your friends to bring one of his, buy one on eBay, buy a cheap little M-Audio controller, anything will do.

- It might also be a controller <-> MIDI interface issue. It'd probably be a good idea to invest in a dedicated MIDI interface like an Edirol UM550 or UM880. They're very nice little units in themselves (i.e. you can patch any input to any output, etc.) and should provide slightly more stable MIDI than the Scope card's MIDI interface. If you're on a tight budget, any cheaper USB midi interface should do the trick. Some of those M-Audio keyboards also come with MIDI interfaces built-in, that might be something to try (but useless if you already have a good master keyboard.)

You current master keyboard might be fine, it might just have trouble with the Scope card's MIDI interface.

Scope MIDI works, but isn't always the best, and routings like Card MIDI -> Seq Dest -> (sequencer) -> Seq Source -> (scope synth) just might push things into instability.

the above test of drawed midi UNFORTUNATELY made stucking notes but not so often.
i put three midi tracks playing and recorded the midi data to a 4th midi channel.
there started the midi stucks.
i know that it was very heavy but i need to push things to max in order to find the cause of the problem.
i noticed though that my cpu usage goes very high.

how are the edirol midi interfaces connected with scope?

This sticking note occurs in all sorts of situations - ie Arc's is completely different from mine.

Mine is a very minimal situation, with a riff in a sequencer, straight to the synth, that is one note, (like Smoke on the Water - ie slow), even when everything else (ie nothing) is filtered out,

and it causes stuck notes in several (but not all!) synths...

it ain't the setup.

I reckon it might be different (programming-speak) compilations of the synths, from Creamware programmers - ie very slight differences, not actual versions - making them act up.

Changing keyboards is a complete waste of time.

So how about a word from Creamware on this hot topic? Before Arc goes nuts. And wastes weeks of his creativity time.


<font size=-1>[ This Message was edited by: geoffd99 on 2006-03-16 15:09 ]</font>

geoffd99 you got me man!

thats what i believe.

six-string for example is imposible to play. it takes less than a minute to stuck notes.
b2003 maybe is one of the good synths.



CAN CREAMWARE ANSWER ME PLEASE?

On 2006-03-16 14:00, ARCADIOS wrote:
i put three midi tracks playing and recorded the midi data to a 4th midi channel.
there started the midi stucks.

are you sure you are not creating a MIDI feedback loop by doing that?

six string works great. i used it just the other day for over 3 hours with NO note sticking.

Yes, Six String is OK here too. B2003 sticks the odd note - but so does Celmo's great HammonQ.
Minimax is the worst here, usable, but not for long.
There must be some technical explanation - all this fiddling about to fix is is like Magic - do this, do that, then throw some salt over your left shoulder, and rotate three times...

minimax is good here on more than 15 computers....