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Re: Using RMX 160 on drums
Posted: Thu Nov 29, 2012 7:17 am
by dawman
SLightly OT but I would like to thank Jhulk again for making Vectron sound incredibly powerful with his sample sets and transwaves, etc.
If you don't have those check out dante's Scope Rising, or search the threads for NTN and JHulks collaborative work.
Vectron is now a beast.
Re: Using RMX 160 on drums
Posted: Thu Nov 29, 2012 7:21 am
by Mr Arkadin
dawman wrote:SLightly OT but I would like to thank Jhulk again for making Vectron sound incredibly powerful with his sample sets and transwaves, etc.
If you don't have those check out dante's Scope Rising, or search the threads for NTN and JHulks collaborative work.
Vectron is now a beast.
I'm still waiting for his feedback transwave series with all the top and bottom frequencies cut, then recorded with the mic twenty feet from the sound source and a pillow in front of the mic. That's the only way Solaris will achieve that authentic sound.
Re: Using RMX 160 on drums
Posted: Thu Nov 29, 2012 7:22 am
by niceboy
jhulk wrote:its all about the music if it don't sound good it don't sound good
whether you like your technique or think its the best thing since slice bread
it does not sound right
i have very good hearing
i have been making professional sample sets for 25+ years
you have heard my samples in ensoniq modules
i know how to mix as im an engineer i make my own pro audio gear for my self and my customers
and have fitted pro audio installations i also fit upgrades to keyboards
and service a lot of analog and digital stuff
i service old mixers and have to know what they should sound like
any good advice given and your abusive i don't think there is one conversation on here that you have a nice word to say
what are you doing on this forum if your not going to listen
whats the point as when we say anything you don't like you rebuff us and don't actually listen theirs no point in talking to you might as well shout of a top of a mountain the wind would give us better answers
and i can do away with you condescending manor there better things for me to do than waste my precious time on some who does not listen
This was a Quick FIx about Reverb on Snare reqested from 19 Bears.
Levels on upper instruments is not set yet as well as OH and AMB.
Have no time for discussions
Drums are now verry strong.
If someone want to listen to the reverb on Snare its possible to hear.
Bear
Re: Using RMX 160 on drums
Posted: Thu Nov 29, 2012 7:26 am
by the19thbear
actually i was asking about a web link, explaining the feedback technique (sorry if i didnt make it clear).
Re: Using RMX 160 on drums
Posted: Thu Nov 29, 2012 8:03 am
by niceboy
the19thbear wrote:actually i was asking about a web link, explaining the feedback technique (sorry if i didnt make it clear).
Ok
There is not much to find , but I think you can start to look at my link about mastering,
and thats nr 5 of 7 Links .
http://www.xited.org/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=952
Its maybe better to start with nr 1.
That one is about Snare and I dont know.
Our new setup using Every Channel and no extra plugins on AUX feedback,
in all 24 channels in the STM 2448 mixer,
is much better for drums than the Fat Insert with one channel I showed somewhere,
but dont get me wrong.
The Fat S using one Channel feedback we get really explosive feedback,
on all three guitars and the bass.
Just ask me anything you want.
Bear
Re: Using RMX 160 on drums
Posted: Thu Nov 29, 2012 2:52 pm
by Bud Weiser
Mr Arkadin wrote:
I'm still waiting for his feedback transwave series with all the top and bottom frequencies cut, then recorded with the mic twenty feet from the sound source and a pillow in front of the mic. That's the only way Solaris will achieve that authentic sound.
I´d forward that to John !
I hope it doesn´t need too many add. coders to get it right.
Bud
Re: Using RMX 160 on drums
Posted: Thu Nov 29, 2012 3:54 pm
by borg
the19thbear wrote:actually i was asking about a web link, explaining the feedback technique (sorry if i didnt make it clear).
was thinking the same thing... what's the fuzz? couldn't find anything on google.
all i could find about feedback mastering was people asking for feedback on their mastering skills. Maybe you misunderstood 'negative feedback' and thought it is a mastering technique, rather than an opinion on bad habits.
I don't know, man,
give us a frame of reference: articles, examples of how it should be done. Maybe every piece falls in its place next week, and you have a sparkling recording for us, i hope for you...
maybe the commotion is caused by language barrieres.
Re: Using RMX 160 on drums
Posted: Thu Nov 29, 2012 4:01 pm
by dawman
Here's the feedback paths on Solaris.
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Re: Using RMX 160 on drums
Posted: Thu Nov 29, 2012 4:41 pm
by niceboy
dawman wrote:Here's the feedback paths on Solaris.
4516620419_c64094f045_o.jpg
That looks great.
We will try that Synth later.
Re: Using RMX 160 on drums
Posted: Thu Nov 29, 2012 4:53 pm
by niceboy
borg wrote:the19thbear wrote:actually i was asking about a web link, explaining the feedback technique (sorry if i didnt make it clear).
was thinking the same thing... what's the fuzz? couldn't find anything on google.
all i could find about feedback mastering was people asking for feedback on their mastering skills. Maybe you misunderstood 'negative feedback' and thought it is a mastering technique, rather than an opinion on bad habits.
I don't know, man,
give us a frame of reference: articles, examples of how it should be done. Maybe every piece falls in its place next week, and you have a sparkling recording for us, i hope for you...
maybe the commotion is caused by language barrieres.
Feedback is used in mastering yes, and its used so much in advanced technic ,
like also sending radio signals on high voltage.
So its natural that engineres dont even know how its used in Sound Technic.
Its also very controversial in multiple arias.
So people easily get victims of not getting the knowledge,
but more usual is being victim of not getting feedback.
Thats where you can ask me .
If its on doctoral level in Sound Technic.
You might never get your answere.
You can ask me.
Bear
Re: Using RMX 160 on drums
Posted: Thu Nov 29, 2012 5:55 pm
by garyb
problem solving forum=problem solved.
Re: Using RMX 160 on drums
Posted: Thu Nov 29, 2012 6:44 pm
by niceboy
garyb wrote:problem solving forum=problem solved.
What do you mean with that I said you are a liar.
Bear
Re: Using RMX 160 on drums
Posted: Thu Nov 29, 2012 7:00 pm
by hubird
he means if you turn the question for feedback mastering information back to yourself, you create a vicious circle.
The problem looks solved, but the question is unanswered.
There was asked for information about feedback from other sources as yours, just to broaden our knowledge.
We've could have missed something?
Re: Using RMX 160 on drums
Posted: Thu Nov 29, 2012 7:14 pm
by niceboy
garyb wrote:problem solving forum=problem solved.
Now its not solved if he really want an answere,
but Sweet Pee or Dawmans pic of Solaris red line feedback routing,
is really a very easy way of understand what I do
without the feedback plugin in the Aux Channels.
It shows the signal going back to the same point it came from ,
coming from after filter or preamp, going to before filter or preamp.
That is sending the signal back into itself sort of.
On drum signals thats very strong like boxning,
only mixer channels is needed.
Dawmans or Sonic Core pic is very easy to understand I think.
Feedback in Aux Channels though is very effective.
Using just one Fat Insert S going out from Stereo Channel to one Aux,
you can make very explosive feedback just
for the simple reason that the two stereo channels going to a mono Aux out,
which is making doubble tracking of the two stereo channels in the Aux mono.
Sending doubbled signal volym back into itself gives of course doubble negative feedback
Amplification.
Bear
Re: Using RMX 160 on drums
Posted: Thu Nov 29, 2012 7:20 pm
by niceboy
hubird wrote:he means if you turn the question for feedback mastering information back to yourself, you create a vicious circle.
The problem looks solved, but the question is unanswered.
There was asked for information about feedback from other sources as yours, just to broaden our knowledge.
We've could have missed something?
Thats great but I have just told him that it might be hard to get that info.
Also because its almost like a war going on.
Its mainly only one way to find out.
That is to start doing it.
Make some feedback or dont make any.
Where is that Guy.
Dawmans pic is showing very clear ,
not mastering though ,thats too controversial
if you are not drunk
Or I change my mind ,its hard to understand.
It looks like all filter and Amps is going back to all four ,
in Solaris.
Thats how feedback works also in mastering.
There is just no limitations.
You can send signals everywhere
Bear
Re: Using RMX 160 on drums
Posted: Thu Nov 29, 2012 8:14 pm
by hubird
could you describe one single feedback line you used?
from start to end, with in's and out's of every stage?
Re: Using RMX 160 on drums
Posted: Thu Nov 29, 2012 9:24 pm
by garyb
this is the problem solving forum, correct?
the title of the thread is "Using RMX 160 on drums". this has been accomplished. there is no problem, so....
Re: Using RMX 160 on drums
Posted: Fri Nov 30, 2012 2:16 am
by niceboy
garyb wrote:this is the problem solving forum, correct?
the title of the thread is "Using RMX 160 on drums". this has been accomplished. there is no problem, so....
Thats true RMX 160 on Snare makes the drums sounding
Great
Bear
Re: Using RMX 160 on drums
Posted: Fri Nov 30, 2012 3:19 am
by astroman
regarding content I'd vote
kick him off immediately...
but the stuff is so bizarre I must keep reading on
feedback as pictured in the Solaris is done on synth for ages, it's so obvious noone ever mentions it
it's NOT due to a supposedly secret character
cheers, Tom
Re: Using RMX 160 on drums
Posted: Fri Nov 30, 2012 3:44 am
by t_tangent
astroman wrote:regarding content I'd vote
kick him off immediately...
but the stuff is so bizarre I must keep reading on
LOL, indeed,
"Not so" nice boy has either done too much acid or more likely not taken enough
Either way, a rude and ignorant twat