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Re: pci master overlow with reverb in samp aux
Posted: Tue Dec 25, 2012 2:36 am
by niceboy
guppy wrote:Ok, I put one masterverb and it seems ok by now, with 44 and 48khz.
I'm so disappointed that I can't use sc verbs !!

!!!

Go back to where i said yes and no I think you missed the point ,
because I edited it .
Bear
Re: pci master overlow with reverb in samp aux
Posted: Tue Dec 25, 2012 2:36 am
by niceboy
guppy wrote:Ok, I put one masterverb and it seems ok by now, with 44 and 48khz.
I'm so disappointed that I can't use sc verbs !!

!!!

Go back to where i said yes and no I think you missed the point ,
because I edited it .
Bear
Re: pci master overlow with reverb in samp aux
Posted: Tue Dec 25, 2012 2:36 am
by niceboy
guppy wrote:Ok, I put one masterverb and it seems ok by now, with 44 and 48khz.
I'm so disappointed that I can't use sc verbs !!

!!!

Go back to where i said yes and no I think you missed the point ,
because I edited it .
Bear
Re: pci master overlow with reverb in samp aux
Posted: Tue Dec 25, 2012 2:36 am
by niceboy
guppy wrote:Ok, I put one masterverb and it seems ok by now, with 44 and 48khz.
I'm so disappointed that I can't use sc verbs !!

!!!

Go back to where i said yes and no I think you missed the point ,
because I edited it .
Bear
Re: pci master overlow with reverb in samp aux
Posted: Tue Dec 25, 2012 2:36 am
by niceboy
guppy wrote:Ok, I put one masterverb and it seems ok by now, with 44 and 48khz.
I'm so disappointed that I can't use sc verbs !!

!!!

Go back to where i said yes and no I think you missed the point ,
because I edited it .
Bear
Re: pci master overlow with reverb in samp aux
Posted: Tue Dec 25, 2012 2:36 am
by niceboy
guppy wrote:Ok, I put one masterverb and it seems ok by now, with 44 and 48khz.
I'm so disappointed that I can't use sc verbs !!

!!!

Go back to where i said yes and no I think you missed the point ,
because I edited it .
Bear
Re: pci master overlow with reverb in samp aux
Posted: Tue Dec 25, 2012 2:36 am
by niceboy
guppy wrote:Ok, I put one masterverb and it seems ok by now, with 44 and 48khz.
I'm so disappointed that I can't use sc verbs !!

!!!

Go back to where i said yes and no I think you missed the point ,
because I edited it .
Bear
Re: pci master overlow with reverb in samp aux
Posted: Tue Dec 25, 2012 2:37 am
by niceboy
guppy wrote:Ok, I put one masterverb and it seems ok by now, with 44 and 48khz.
I'm so disappointed that I can't use sc verbs !!

!!!

Go back to where i said yes and no I think you missed the point ,
because I edited it .
Bear
Re: pci master overlow with reverb in samp aux
Posted: Tue Dec 25, 2012 2:37 am
by niceboy
guppy wrote:Ok, I put one masterverb and it seems ok by now, with 44 and 48khz.
I'm so disappointed that I can't use sc verbs !!

!!!

Go back to where i said yes and no I think you missed the point ,
because I edited it .
Bear
Re: pci master overlow with reverb in samp aux
Posted: Tue Dec 25, 2012 2:37 am
by niceboy
guppy wrote:Ok, I put one masterverb and it seems ok by now, with 44 and 48khz.
I'm so disappointed that I can't use sc verbs !!

!!!

Go back to where i said yes and no I think you missed the point ,
because I edited it .
Bear
Re: pci master overlow with reverb in samp aux
Posted: Tue Dec 25, 2012 2:37 am
by niceboy
guppy wrote:Ok, I put one masterverb and it seems ok by now, with 44 and 48khz.
I'm so disappointed that I can't use sc verbs !!

!!!

Go back to where i said yes and no I think you missed the point ,
because I edited it .
Bear
Re: pci master overlow with reverb in samp aux
Posted: Tue Dec 25, 2012 2:37 am
by niceboy
guppy wrote:Ok, I put one masterverb and it seems ok by now, with 44 and 48khz.
I'm so disappointed that I can't use sc verbs !!

!!!

Go back to where i said yes and no I think you missed the point ,
because I edited it .
Bear
Re: pci master overlow with reverb in samp aux
Posted: Tue Dec 25, 2012 2:43 am
by guppy
I think everything is ok as it was not a real problem but a limitation that I didn't understood well.
Now I can say I hope I have an efficient system

Re: pci master overlow with reverb in samp aux
Posted: Tue Dec 25, 2012 3:11 am
by garyb
yes, if you are only getting 5-6 masterverbs, you are going to have problems with the big ambient verb.
if this is a live setup, why are you monitoring through Sam? all that does is introduce latency!
put a mixer in Scope. you only need a large number of asio dest channels to get each mic to it's track in Samplitude. you only need a couple of asio source channels for monitoring playback from Sam. all inputs go through the mixer and are monitored there. use the verb with the Scope mixer. if you do it this way and make Samplitude into a multitrack recorder, you'll be working more traditionally and efficiently. you won't have latency even in overdubs. remember, Samplitude is inside Scope, not the other way around. Scope is a realtime system. the cpu, and by extension Samplitude is NOT a realtime system.
Re: pci master overlow with reverb in samp aux
Posted: Tue Dec 25, 2012 3:14 am
by niceboy
guppy wrote:I think everything is ok as it was not a real problem but a limitation that I didn't understood well.
Now I can say I hope I have an efficient system

Welcome here also If there is more to do.
http://forums.planetz.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=31345
Bear
Re: pci master overlow with reverb in samp aux
Posted: Tue Dec 25, 2012 3:20 am
by guppy
You're right Gary that I could easily output all the aux out of the stm (there are all with the pulsar2 Adat dest link to the octopre).

I have the choice now between twice, but all the aux output are mono (as it reduce the headphones to mono sum), and with this setup, a can add effects from samplitude to the headphones mixed seperately.
I've tried to make direct output for each channel with a second table, but it's heavy for my system, and I couldn't load lots of effects. With asio output, I can manage stereo output as busses (for toms for example).
I'm thinking about it

Re: pci master overlow with reverb in samp aux
Posted: Tue Dec 25, 2012 11:33 am
by garyb
sure, but the mixer's in the wrong location. you should monitor before going to the asio dest. the mixers have direct outs, so you can record exactly what you hear. also, any output(such as an ADAT output) can feed multiple inputs although an input can only come from one output. also, the stm2448 has a lot more useful connections, since it's a real recording console.
on a real console in a real studio the control room outs are what the engineer and producer listen to. the studio outs are for the big playback monitors in the other room where the musicians are and the mix out goes to the 2 track machine....
Re: pci master overlow with reverb in samp aux
Posted: Tue Dec 25, 2012 12:35 pm
by niceboy
garyb wrote:sure, but the mixer's in the wrong location. you should monitor before going to the asio dest. the mixers have direct outs, so you can record exactly what you hear. also, any output(such as an ADAT

output) can feed multiple inputs although an input can only come from one output. also, the stm2448 has a lot more useful connections, since it's a real recording console.
on a real console in a real studio the control room outs are what the engineer and producer listen to. the studio outs are for the big playback monitors in the other room where the musicians are and the mix out goes to the 2 track machine....
Wait just one second here.
About monitoring I agree.
The enginere and producers might not be like that.
Since higher educations in america together with musichian unions,
said No to a lot of thouse procedures almost 20 years ago
Also now when Venue and other larger Boards ,
most likely is going to be retiered ,
Also real studios is very wrong to say,
because quality studio is more right to say,
Or first Class Studio in Nashville ,
is not all Studios in North America.
When people start to use the Scope Mixers.
Its already here when using Waves into Scope.
Its not Waves into Venue anymore today,
through MADI.
Its through Waves Multirack into Scope
Bear
Re: pci master overlow with reverb in samp aux
Posted: Tue Dec 25, 2012 3:33 pm
by dante
niceboy wrote:Scope is not depending on computer processor.
Bear
Well Scope is depending on computer processing in terms of sample rate. In that Scope and Host need to be running at the same sample rate. So therefore the higher you push Scope, the more work Host has to do to keep up.
Re: pci master overlow with reverb in samp aux
Posted: Tue Dec 25, 2012 4:00 pm
by garyb
also, things that use the host computer's resources like a reverb do affect the host's ability to do work. all resources are limited.