Another Mass Murder Today In Orlando

[garyb]

very true, the same for left wing socialists. even funnier, left wing extemists are as violent and gun toting as their right-wing counterparts. both left and right wing have their disamament factions as well. everything doesn't come down to left/right good, cop/bad cop.

this discussion has nothing to do with that. your argument was based on fear of gun toting bogeymen, so i mentioned that fear won't fix things...

[braincell]

Guns don't fix things and must be abolished. They don't help things only make them worse.

[garyb]

guns don't fix things, but they can kill your food and protect your family. as a martial skill, their use can be very positive, teaching patience, concentraion, focus, cooperation, self control and responsibility, just like any martial art, or they can be quite destructive just like any martial art.

there's nothing worse than being murdered. if a gun can prevent that(and i personally know those who were not murdered because of having weapons), it sure ain't making matters worse. please don't sloganeer just to win a point. a gun could make things better, worse or maintain the staus quo, it just depends on the circumstance, and the user...

[braincell]

That is so ridiculous. It's clear that guns or more frequently used for domestic violence and suicide; the jealous husband, the child playing with the gun, the intruder who turns out to be your fiance like just happened. What I'm afraid of is a guy like you, instead of heading out the window and calling 911, confronts the intruder because he bought this gun and has been waiting all his life for this moment to justify his purchase. NO, you don't have the right to protect your family if it means millions of other families end up wrongfully shot because of your so call freedom. Seat belts sometimes kill people but we weigh the good with the bad. That is why all cars are required to have seat belts and drivers are required to wear them. We shouldn't be governed by a bunch of insane paranoids!

If guns protect your family then why do you think most families don't own a gun? Do you think they want their family to die? I have fire alarms. Nothing wrong with that. Wisely, the majority of people know that guns are not safe to have around and they want nothing to do with them.

[dawman]

That is so ridiculous. It's clear that guns or more frequently used for domestic violence and suicide; the jealous husband, the child playing with the gun, the intruder who turns out to be your fiance like just happened. What I'm afraid of is a guy like you, instead of heading out the window and calling 911, confronts the intruder because he bought this gun and has been waiting all his life for this moment to justify his purchase. NO, you don't have the right to protect your family if it means millions of other families end up wrongfully shot because of your so call freedom. Seat belts sometimes kill people but we weigh the good with the bad. That is why all cars are required to have seat belts and drivers are required to wear them. We shouldn't be governed by a bunch of insane paranoids!

If guns protect your family then why do you think most families don't own a gun? Do you think they want their family to die? I have fire alarms. Nothing wrong with that. Wisely, the majority of people know that guns are not safe to have around and they want nothing to do with them.

Millions.........? More dissinformation and hatred of a philosphy you disagree with.
At least you were wise enough to erase the defamatory lies about S|C sending out ASB's for reviewing........ But again, nobody here believes a word you say.
At least you are honest about being a coward. No wonder a woman would never have sex w/ a freakbag like you. Run out the window while she could be raped as you cower in darkness.?
Are there other forums where you display such talented dissinformation...?
I suspect you do this all day, when actually you should learn how to read music and give you're eyes a break. The LCD can be harmful after 12 hours of daily use.
If there was an inlkling of truth in your statements I would be the first to disagree, But I would debate the topic. With you there is no debate as you are a common liar.
You are just a lonely Troll with no place to go, and obviously no one to protect.
If you come visit me in Vegas I'll find someone to have sex with you, but then again I might not have that much money.
We could start a reality show called Troll banging, you be the host.
You are entertaining as you freak out from your meds though, so I will encourage you to stay and continue practicing your lies and dissinformation.

[braincell]

I didn't delete anything. SC sent out the ASB for review and the item didn't work and the poor guy couldn't get support. You can ask siriusbliss. Leave me alone Jimmy. You don't have to lick SC all the time do you? Oh I forgot you hang out with prostitutes. Please don't post to my threads. You are not welcome here. Gary can post not you!


http://www.vpc.org/fact_sht/hgbanfs.htm

Overall Firearm-Related Deaths

Since 1962, more than one million Americans have died in firearm homicides, suicides, and unintentional shootings. Handguns were used in more than 650,000 of these fatal shootings.7

In 1997 the most recent year available here were 89 firearm deaths per day, or a firearm death every 16 minutes.8

In homes with guns, a member of the household is almost three times as likely to be the victim of a homicide compared to gun-free homes.9

[garyb]

some of those numbers are like Thomas Malthus' charts and projections of world population showing massive overcrowding and crop failure and billions of dead from starvation by 1850. he was able to make a quite convincing arguement for the need to cull the commoners to stave off disaster, but his figures were imaginary.

what are the numbers of people being stabbed? is it better to be stabbed than shot? do you think that someone who is stabbed is less likely to die? you know, i live in a very dangerous area, there is definite gun violence here and NO ban will clean up those guns, they are off the map and hidden. no amount of righteous chest pounding will stop them and yet it's still rare for anyone to actually get shot. i've also lived in some of the most exclusive areas and there are more guns there than here, though there are less reasons for people to use them. in either place, one can go one's whole life without every coming close to being injured by firearms, although in my neighborhood, it's just good to be aware of them.

there's no doubt. GUNS ARE DANGEROUS. lots of things are dangerous. the thing is, GUNS DON'T OPERATE THEMSELVES. the only reason that i see for keeping guns from the public is that so many of the public have become full-grown children instead of adults. i blame this on the idea that the state is a nanny that must regulate people. PEOPLE MUST REGULATE THEMSELVES FIRST, then others. adults are quite safe with guns, knives and juju. people are not to be treated like children who must have sharp objects taken away from them, unless the individual shows otherwise. to treat people like children is to encourage irresponsible behavior, which is the REAL danger. even the child must learn to be careful when carrying scissors, and eventually must be trusted with them.

[garyb]

-btw, afaik, there has been NO S/C reviewer debacle. S/C has not sent an ASB to a reviewer. the last person to do that was Ali, back when CW was still in existance.

as i keep saying, although a COUPLE of the employees are the same, CW and S/C have completely different people running them and they are NOT the same company.

[braincell]

Your information is wrong. You don't know. You are mistaken.

[siriusbliss]

I didn't delete anything. SC sent out the ASB for review and the item didn't work and the poor guy couldn't get support. You can ask siriusbliss.

huh?

when did I supposedly respond to someone not getting support for an ASB?

Greg

p.s. we'll also need to take people's automobiles away from them, and they should stop getting cancer, and should stop taking medicines, since these things kill more people annually than guns.

[braincell]

Your friend reviewed the ASB from Sonic Core.

[siriusbliss]

Your friend reviewed the ASB from Sonic Core.

which friend?

G

[braincell]

emusician

[braincell]

That was beautiful and eloquent.

[garyb]

stardust, that cheap pop-psychology breakdown, MAY be correct and in many points IS correct(the gun must be ready to use and within reach to be useful, for example), but it's not the full story.

most hunters eat what they kill, most are NOT trophy hunters that "bully" poor defenseless creatures. hunting is much less cruel than many farming practices.
most guns used for protection do just that.
there's nothing wrong with the hobby of gun collecting and smithing anymore than the hobby of music and it's debatable which is potentially more harmfull.
most of what you speak of, you havce NO actual experience with.

how old are you anyway? are you still in university? the reason i ask, is you seem to think the real answers are in university and that university is the bastion of truth...

[garyb]

asking if you are out of university?

sorry, my bad....it's nothing to be ashamed of though...

[garyb]

i'm questioning the statements made as true, that i know not to be true from personal experience, although i do(and did) admit that many of those statements are true to some degree. the question of age and schooling is to better understand who i am talking to. i appear to be old enough to be your father...i just wondered if that was true. it's not an attack, although if it nuetralizes a point you have made, that's just how it is...

over the centuries, there have been many things repeated out of universities as the ultimate truth, that have been revealed to be misunderstandings at best and outright fabrications at worst..take the work of C. Darwin.....

[garyb]

really, because you do seem to be a pup, sorry if that's arrogant.

my title? Sir, Mr., Lord, King...
my degree? the nth...

there's no need to be that formal, i don't kill over disrespect.

but even when i bs, i never am just speaking bullocks...the psuedo psychological evaluation of a gun owner? bullocks.

[Mr Arkadin]

If Darwin is fabrication what's your model for where we are now gary?

[garyb]

elements of Darwin's work(which he did NOT invent) are certainly real and true. it's the big conclusions that can't be proven that are the problem. for instance, many of the so-called evolutionary lines jus don't have the fossil evidence showing the transitional forms needed. Darwinism doesn't fully explain epi-genetics, either.

i'm sure that "natural selection" does exist, at least to some extent, but the idea of "climbing the evolutionary ladder" as though there's a race to complete a course is strictly a way for the elite to justify their lording over the commoners(they're further along the "path").

there's lots to be said and learned about the subject, and it's not like i know it all. the common knowledge is shite though, just like the common knowledge of relativity.

not having a better explanation doesn't necessarily make the popular explanation true, however.