personally, i find it odd that people links to half-thruts, where you have to buy the book to get the full story. why not just link the text as a whole, if it is so important to human beings. Is copyright more important than the well being of people?
And when it comes to genetically modified plants (be it food or for textiles), its a rotten buisnes. India has a lot of farms (as an example), growing designer plants, for (again, as an example) american and german farma companies. some of them are partly owned by the Norwegian gouverment.
the side effect of these gen mods are that they cant reproduce properly. they have to be manually "pollenized", bringng the seeds from one plant to the other. this demands the work of very small hands, working long days...
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A positive attitude may not solve all your problems, but it will annoy enough people to make it worth the effort.
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yes, of course, all correct.
the link was proof of nothing, just the glimmer of an idea.
the gmo industry is one of the most irresponsible acts foisted on an unknowing public, ever.
there are many involved in the gmo industry who really intend to do good work. unfortunately, the work is too full of hubris and the interests providing funding are not friendly ones.
-btw, in this world, the copyright is far more important than people or their interests.
yes, of course, all correct.
the link was proof of nothing, just the glimmer of an idea.
the gmo industry is one of the most irresponsible acts foisted on an unknowing public, ever.
there are many involved in the gmo industry who really intend to do good work. unfortunately, the work is too full of hubris and the interests providing funding are not friendly ones.
-btw, in this world, the copyright is far more important than people or their interests.
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Personally, I don't have any problem whatsoever with GM sciences or attempts to develop in that direction. There is some good that can come out of it. However, when the experiments involve treating the general population as guinea pigs and reckless contamination of the food chain, then it's something that effects everyone - not just us commoners.
It's not just one company we can all point the finger at either. Monsanto just happens to be a good example as there's plenty of evidence of their corruption available for all to see.
It seems to me that there are a lot of people to blame, be it in the research department, in the boardroom, corrupt government officials, shareholders or even your local supermarket. How those responsible can sleep at night, knowing what they've unleashed on the world is beyond me.
It's not just one company we can all point the finger at either. Monsanto just happens to be a good example as there's plenty of evidence of their corruption available for all to see.
It seems to me that there are a lot of people to blame, be it in the research department, in the boardroom, corrupt government officials, shareholders or even your local supermarket. How those responsible can sleep at night, knowing what they've unleashed on the world is beyond me.
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There are schools in Scotland where you'll no doubt be fed all sorts of lies about the queen, but I can assure you Gary that my brother and I didn't attend one of those. In fact, throughout 13 years of schooling and 4 years at University I don't recall the Queen getting as much as a mentiongaryb wrote:the Queen's schools taught you that she's powerless and penniless? sucker...
Having friends and family who hold a variety of positions within the education system, I can say with some confidence that the queen has absolutely no influence on Scottish education.
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sharc wrote:There are schools in Scotland where you'll no doubt be fed all sorts of lies about the queen, but I can assure you Gary that my brother and I didn't attend one of those. In fact, throughout 13 years of schooling and 4 years at University I don't recall the Queen getting as much as a mentiongaryb wrote:the Queen's schools taught you that she's powerless and penniless? sucker...
Having friends and family who hold a variety of positions within the education system, I can say with some confidence that the queen has absolutely no influence on Scottish education.
however you like it. she doesn't need to be mentioned to learn about her. i was referring to the idea that government and Sovereign are disconnected and that the Royalty is just an ornamental vestige, while the Sovereign still owns the government headquaters in title and deed...i know that Scots like to feel independant and free just like Americans do(think of themselves that way), and all...the thing is, she has considerable influence here. i don't believe she has no influence there. she still owns most of the world, as far as the powers that be are concerned. if she has influence anywhere, on her own island is a likely place. i'm sure that Scots are mostly concerned with their own business and would ignore her completely if they could, if they didn't owe tribute. i'm not even saying that anything i've described is all bad.
the world actually functions in a different manner than we believe. cognative dissonace, double speak, is the order of the day.
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i can agree with that. the problem with gm sciences, is that humans are too ignorant to do anything but guess as to what the consequences of their actions are. this is where things become pretty irresponsible and disaster becomes likely...sharc wrote:Personally, I don't have any problem whatsoever with GM sciences or attempts to develop in that direction. There is some good that can come out of it. However, when the experiments involve treating the general population as guinea pigs and reckless contamination of the food chain, then it's something that effects everyone - not just us commoners.
It's not just one company we can all point the finger at either. Monsanto just happens to be a good example as there's plenty of evidence of their corruption available for all to see.
It seems to me that there are a lot of people to blame, be it in the research department, in the boardroom, corrupt government officials, shareholders or even your local supermarket. How those responsible can sleep at night, knowing what they've unleashed on the world is beyond me.
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I know how you thrive on arguing your point gary, the world according to you, but your sidetracking of the blatant corruption in the US system that facilitates companies such as Monsanto in favour of pointing the finger at someone who's only connection with such a company is through indirectly owning some shares through investments made on their behalf, is simply staggering. An indirect shareholder isn't the one facilitating the legality of Monsanto employees moving over to work for the Food & Drug Administration, then back to Monsanto, then back to the FDA over & over again. One such employee moved to & fro between Monsanto & the FDA an incredible 6 times. Don't try to point your finger towards foreign soil for allowing that sort of shit. That's just one case as well. There's countless other cases of Monsanto employees moving over to work for the FDA & vice versa. Now that could all seem completely above board & logical if it wasn't for the fact that the FDA have approved countless GM & bio engineered products made by Monsanto which haven't even been properly tested & don't have any evidence of thorough testing for anyone to review. How can the FDA possibly approve things which haven't been properly tested? How can they continue to turn a blind eye to tests being falsified & set up to show false results? I suppose you think that's the fault of the Queen of England? 
I'm not solely pointing the finger at the US here either btw. There's similar issues with bio, pharma & GM food companies all over the world, so there's no need to strike out as if someone were trying to back you into a corner.
I'm not solely pointing the finger at the US here either btw. There's similar issues with bio, pharma & GM food companies all over the world, so there's no need to strike out as if someone were trying to back you into a corner.
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first off, i'm in a fine mood about all this.
second, it's not about MY world view. the world is as it is regardless of what either one of us THINKS.
third, these things you describe are just the puppet theater. the real workings of the world are quite different. the US government has been increasingly run by foriegn interests for many decades. the first step was in making corporations legal "persons" in perpetuity. they are ENTITIES(these big multinationals) and THEY make public policy for us all.
"fascism is more appropriately called corporatism as it's a blending of corporate and state power."
-Benito Mussolini
haven't you noticed that every county makes basically the same laws these days with respect to freedom of movement, terrorism, indetification of individuals, innoculations, GMOs, etc.? world government has been a reality for some time, it's just becoming an above board thing in this time.
corporate ownership is an occult reality. the true owners are always hidden. why do you think that is?
you're correct shroomz, i DO like arguing these things, through ARGUMENT, the reality may be seen.
second, it's not about MY world view. the world is as it is regardless of what either one of us THINKS.
third, these things you describe are just the puppet theater. the real workings of the world are quite different. the US government has been increasingly run by foriegn interests for many decades. the first step was in making corporations legal "persons" in perpetuity. they are ENTITIES(these big multinationals) and THEY make public policy for us all.
"fascism is more appropriately called corporatism as it's a blending of corporate and state power."
-Benito Mussolini
haven't you noticed that every county makes basically the same laws these days with respect to freedom of movement, terrorism, indetification of individuals, innoculations, GMOs, etc.? world government has been a reality for some time, it's just becoming an above board thing in this time.
corporate ownership is an occult reality. the true owners are always hidden. why do you think that is?
you're correct shroomz, i DO like arguing these things, through ARGUMENT, the reality may be seen.
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This article is about the word as it is used in Logic...........garyb wrote:through ARGUMENT, the reality may be seen.
Great, just what we need, another VST plug in.........
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people are always trying to view and quantify the world through "their" world view. they get angry when others try to impress "their wolrd view, never asking where this view comes from, who framed the window and why.
this has a lot to do with why and how a company like monsanto perpetrates absolute abominations.
@jimmy- punishment indeed.
this has a lot to do with why and how a company like monsanto perpetrates absolute abominations.
@jimmy- punishment indeed.
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Punishment...?
Sorry.......couldn't resist.
I was going to eat my Monsanto soup for breakfast with it's thumbnail sized kernels of corn, but this thread has given me pause now.
Sorry.......couldn't resist.
I was going to eat my Monsanto soup for breakfast with it's thumbnail sized kernels of corn, but this thread has given me pause now.
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I would say that Monsanto is a pretty nasty entity myself. Having the ability to pursue patent infringement on a farmer who is only guilty of letting 'nature do its work' by spreading crops naturally (Monsanto grain or corn from nearby fields "infiltrating" his stock) is a pretty good trick. So is convincing everyone to use seeds in other crops that yield no seeds out the other end, thus insuring that you have to go back for more seeds every year (fooled nature on that one too!) All done under the marketing of 'improving crop yields' and 'helping undernourished countries feed the hungry...'
I'm no major fan though of breeding our food for its good looks in the grocery store and 'long shelf life', among other things that put nutrition content and potential toxic effects secondary to commercial concerns. Making food so that even bugs, mold & bacteria don't want to eat it seems counter-intuitive to the idea of 'nutrition', at least to me. And yet that bell pepper is twice the size of that 'overpriced organic' one, and such a deep luscious color to boot! (bleh)
Unfortunately I had a rather nasty stint with sugar free (aspartame) drinks and 'health bars' when I was doing software development in the 'dot-com crash' era. I let my health go south while working 12 hour days 6-7 days a week and went to sugar-free drinks thinking that while I needed the caffiene to keep up that work pace at least I'd avoid the sugar 'crash' and weight gain. In the space of 12 months I still gained more weight than I care to admit even still, and had constant headaches and a bit of a 'head cloud' to boot. Most people refute that Donald Rumsfeld's FDA baby (aspartame) really has the toxic effects that 'fringe websites' claim it to have, but I'm not as much of a doubter as I once was.
It's also painful to admit that I didn't bother noticing all of the 'hydrogenated' and 'partially hydrogenated' type crap that was in my 'health bars', purchased from the 'organic & health' sections of the grocery store no less. After leaving Cali and slowly becoming aware of the damage I'd done to my body via stress & letting just a few dietary habits slip I made pains to remove that stuff from my diet. And at the bottom of the ingredient list in many of them? Aspartame AND splenda both...
Still, health bars were easy to let go of, but the aspartame was more addictive than I care to think about (even non-caffienated aspartame drinks would yield a 'fix'). Now years later I read studies from Europe & Au/NZ that show blood sugar spiking just as much with aspartame & 'splenda' (chlorine-laced "sugar" that is supposedly nondigestable) and the effects on metabolism are in some cases thought to be even worse than 'normal' sugar.
I'll avoid corn syrup too thanks, all the current US television marketing to 'convince' me how healthy and great it is aside (the TV ads are outright unbelievable imo), The fact that it comes from GMO corn is really secondary imo, that that it kills your ability to 'feel full' (satiety) and does a breakdance on my insulin levels during its tenure in my bloodstream is my real complaint.
I'm no major fan though of breeding our food for its good looks in the grocery store and 'long shelf life', among other things that put nutrition content and potential toxic effects secondary to commercial concerns. Making food so that even bugs, mold & bacteria don't want to eat it seems counter-intuitive to the idea of 'nutrition', at least to me. And yet that bell pepper is twice the size of that 'overpriced organic' one, and such a deep luscious color to boot! (bleh)
Unfortunately I had a rather nasty stint with sugar free (aspartame) drinks and 'health bars' when I was doing software development in the 'dot-com crash' era. I let my health go south while working 12 hour days 6-7 days a week and went to sugar-free drinks thinking that while I needed the caffiene to keep up that work pace at least I'd avoid the sugar 'crash' and weight gain. In the space of 12 months I still gained more weight than I care to admit even still, and had constant headaches and a bit of a 'head cloud' to boot. Most people refute that Donald Rumsfeld's FDA baby (aspartame) really has the toxic effects that 'fringe websites' claim it to have, but I'm not as much of a doubter as I once was.
It's also painful to admit that I didn't bother noticing all of the 'hydrogenated' and 'partially hydrogenated' type crap that was in my 'health bars', purchased from the 'organic & health' sections of the grocery store no less. After leaving Cali and slowly becoming aware of the damage I'd done to my body via stress & letting just a few dietary habits slip I made pains to remove that stuff from my diet. And at the bottom of the ingredient list in many of them? Aspartame AND splenda both...
Still, health bars were easy to let go of, but the aspartame was more addictive than I care to think about (even non-caffienated aspartame drinks would yield a 'fix'). Now years later I read studies from Europe & Au/NZ that show blood sugar spiking just as much with aspartame & 'splenda' (chlorine-laced "sugar" that is supposedly nondigestable) and the effects on metabolism are in some cases thought to be even worse than 'normal' sugar.
I'll avoid corn syrup too thanks, all the current US television marketing to 'convince' me how healthy and great it is aside (the TV ads are outright unbelievable imo), The fact that it comes from GMO corn is really secondary imo, that that it kills your ability to 'feel full' (satiety) and does a breakdance on my insulin levels during its tenure in my bloodstream is my real complaint.
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Manipulation of genes is the only way to save the planet.
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that's ridiculous, b.
PUN-ishment, Jim.
PUN-ishment, Jim.
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Well I am convinced that we have beem manipulated again by the corporate farming community.
My son just drove into town from Missouri and ( smuggled ) some of Grandmas Watermelon and Tomatoes from her garden.
I always saw Momo had the biggest tastiest 'Maters that nade our salds so pretty and tasty, I figured it was her green thumb. For years she had the prettiest garden and was President of the Frontenac Garden club.
But the Watermelon.......................................My God.
I thought maybe I was getting old and couldn't taste things as well.........Bull SHit...I am fine.
These pathetic offerings they bring to the store look fine, but are pink and quite tasteless. My mothers homegrown melon was red and sure it had some seeds.
But I would much rathe have the taste of the real deal, and I forgot what a watermelon smelled like.
I guess I have been sucked into this " California " farming thing for years and never realized I have been eating this GM crap and they never once mentioned how our produce has been made.
Fuck this shit. The Mormon monopoly on Grocery stores here is Nevada is scarry, and I am going to keep going to the Sunflower Organic market.
At least I can smell their food when I walk into the produce area.
This week they are going to have many kinds of melons and I will do a comparison.
I feel like a used whore......I should have looked into this and researched it long before now.
My son just drove into town from Missouri and ( smuggled ) some of Grandmas Watermelon and Tomatoes from her garden.
I always saw Momo had the biggest tastiest 'Maters that nade our salds so pretty and tasty, I figured it was her green thumb. For years she had the prettiest garden and was President of the Frontenac Garden club.
But the Watermelon.......................................My God.
I thought maybe I was getting old and couldn't taste things as well.........Bull SHit...I am fine.
These pathetic offerings they bring to the store look fine, but are pink and quite tasteless. My mothers homegrown melon was red and sure it had some seeds.
But I would much rathe have the taste of the real deal, and I forgot what a watermelon smelled like.
I guess I have been sucked into this " California " farming thing for years and never realized I have been eating this GM crap and they never once mentioned how our produce has been made.
Fuck this shit. The Mormon monopoly on Grocery stores here is Nevada is scarry, and I am going to keep going to the Sunflower Organic market.
At least I can smell their food when I walk into the produce area.
This week they are going to have many kinds of melons and I will do a comparison.
I feel like a used whore......I should have looked into this and researched it long before now.
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nuke mosanto
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its sad!
me and my brother just ordered a years supply of chlorella & spirunella for the whole family's daily dose.
it helps with the cleanup of course, always better to keep the junk out.
no eating pigs! I'm sure I have heard it before, but havent stopped eating them yet starting.... now.
thanks for the reminder gary.
Jimmy: I too buy more and more organics. Could go to the smaller stores maybe... help the locals more!
Lots of people have great points. I have researched the "M." also and agree with the 3x EVIL part.
me and my brother just ordered a years supply of chlorella & spirunella for the whole family's daily dose.
it helps with the cleanup
of course, always better to keep the junk out.no eating pigs! I'm sure I have heard it before, but havent stopped eating them yet
starting.... now.thanks for the reminder gary.
Jimmy: I too buy more and more organics. Could go to the smaller stores maybe... help the locals more!
Lots of people have great points. I have researched the "M." also and agree with the 3x EVIL part.
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Jimmy V mentioned DuPont. That's another extremely nasty corp' that's become so powerful they get away with anything. US & State regulators don't even test their plants for toxic levels in the waste they dump, they just ask DuPont for it's in-house figures and say 'carry on'. Apparently they've dumped so much Dioxin into the Bay of St.Louis that you can't safely eat seafood there anymore.
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these multinationals ARE the government, or at least they are the ones the government works for.
once again, Carroll Quigley's "Anglo-American Establishment" is a must read....
once again, Carroll Quigley's "Anglo-American Establishment" is a must read....