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Ralf sends me free synths and devices every Christmas..........................................Yeah Right.

Actually I have a placque in dedication of a guy who has bought the most key transfers.

Computer Music and Future Music certainly feel like (barely) extended ads, with everything getting 8 to 9 out of 10 and Platinum awards thrown round like confetti. At least SOS has been quite good at covering CW stuff in the past and as stated give bad reviews too - i was looking at that that Nord Stage but the review for it wasn't great. No doubt FM gave it a Platinum award.

And kept the unit too !!

Darkrazin has just right (suprise!), it's the computing system which is so attractive for pro workers.
Man I see so much dj's on stage with a powerbook, in clubs, on festivals, VJ's idem dito, all my friends working in DTP work on mac, who would wanne deny that fact, so the supremacy isn't that big anymore compared to the nineties, of course.

A friend of mine from Swiss visited me for a day or two recently, he surpriced me with some fine homegrown supa stuff
He just had bought his first Apple computer, a Powerbook.
At the same time his home mate bought one or the other pc.
Both had to instal wifi.
Guess what was the difference in time to get it done for both...a few minutes minutes for the powerbook against 4 1/2 hour for the pc.

But Stardust, Apple is a monster super goddes in your eyes: it just buys opinions like we do bred, it tells the whole world a mac is for pros which amazingly everyone believes, and the mac is only a hyped machine with a fancy OS which is also believed blindly.

The only arguement you should' name is that Pros usually and per definition have some mony running and 'thus' buy a mac for safety reasons or something...but you don't say that.

Personally I don't like the idiote 'corporate thinking' of Jobs, and to my sober European mind the 'Key notes' of Jobs are rather weird, specially the public, but that's Amaerica, it's show, they love it, they love winners who present themself as so.
But I don't buy Jobs, I buy a mac, and I know what I get.

Isn't it a great achievement of Apple to be able to combine the pro approach with the 'family approach'?
Logic, FCP, etc. and iLife?
That's just smart bussiness thinking, and shows they start thinking from the needs of the user.
And if you don't like it, just don't buy it.
Or use your favorite pc software on the mac...also no problem.

In the meanwhile almost every forum here gets floaded by the same boring (sorry) question what motherboard is needed for Scope, and there it goes again.
True, you have something to choose, which is the ultimate thing for you if I'm right.

You know, it's like this:
the one wants a car and starts thinking what motorblock (mobo) will he chose, etc.
The other one buys decides for a car of an appropriate model (desk, PB), and next decides what extra's he will take, backseat airback, telli, etc. (extra harddisks, software).
Who's acting pro?

In the world of people building their own cars you see wonderfull models, from extended motorbikes to 'space shuttles'.
In pc world, all the result of the primacy of choice is just a grey mass product with always the same troubles and hassles.

Yet I'm sure if you buy a car you follow a totally different consumer approach as you do with computers.
There must be some personal thing involved...

You may have guessed, but I don't feel ill anymore
thanks for the good wishes elsewhere anyway

stardust wrote:looking to the recent revolution, where there are no more gear ads by users since ebay & Co killed the magazine classifieds, and then the decreasing numbers of buyers.

So quite natural for the less independent and cost efficient magazines to let their articles be sponsored by the industry.

that could be true as well

chriskorff wrote:

garyb wrote:magazine articles are ALWAYS written by the manufacturer and then rewritten by the magazine in exchange for advertising. the bigger the ad, the bigger the article.

Are you speaking from experience? What magazines have you worked at, or have known to operate like that? Because that's certainly not what happens where I work.

I'm sure there are some magazines that do (and some that simply plagiarise...), but that's obviously at the expense of their credibility, and magazines with zero credibility tend not to last very long.

IMO

Cheers,

Chris

what mag is that?
i exaggerate when i say written BY the manufacturer, more like the talking points are happily outlined....
i have NEVER seen a multipage article without a full page ad within one page of the article. how is it that the editors choose what to review in your mag?

piddi wrote:in that case creamware must have put shitloads of cash in Craigs pocket!

Craig mentions scope often because he has it and likes it, but one major review in 5 years is not too expensive....

@ gary's former one, that looks to me as a very acceptable form of combining commercial and informative interests - IF the reviews are independently written.
I like it even to see the way a company is presenting itself, along with the article.
It's part of my total impression to get

it's how money is made.

mediamalte wrote:I'm reading al lot of Magazins like Producer, Sound & Recorduíng. Musik & Pc and so on...
Since years there wasn't one similar article or notice about creamware or Soniccore. Even the change from Creamware to Soniccore and the announcments for Scope 5.0 was not named. Does anyone know why?

because there has been nothing to announce?

I remember seeing reviews of all the ASB's in most music tech magazines. I'm sure if there's new products there will also be new articles.

Obviously, SC not communicating with the press at all is not a good way to get their attention in the first place.

The Scope 5 announcement didn't reall tell anyone anything about it either.

If SC wants the world to know about them and their products, they'd better start sending out some press releases and buying some ad space, especially since they changed the name of the system to reflect the new company name.
Now what will happen if suddenly there's a "soniccore system" in the shop? People might know or have heard of Creamware or Scope, but how should they know that it's now called Sonic Core?

Well they will buy it then they will go here and then they will ask and then we will answer

King of Snake wrote:If SC wants the world to know about them and their products, they'd better start sending out some press releases and buying some ad space, especially since they changed the name of the system to reflect the new company name.

that's pretty much how it works....

I'm definitely not in the 'Apple camp'.

It may be fair to say that I'm in the 'Mac camp'

I understand what you're trying to say, but I think you're wrong in your assumption that the Mac concept is *nothing but marketing bullshit*. This is absolutely false, and that's coming from someone who has used Windows machines for 15 years+ and have built many boxes and configured them for realtime audio use.

Freedom/openness is one thing, but what does it actually give you? Sure you might be able to upgrade the CPU or whatever, but often this means buying a new motherboard and RAM anyway - so what is the point? After using Windows boxes for years, the only conclusion I have come to is that they are a bottomless pit of money and time because you CAN upgrade them. I guess I'm at a point where I simply can't be bothered to spend hours researching components, looking at benchmarks, trying to figure out the latest marketing shite from AMD and Intel, etc etc. There comes a point when it just becomes boring and tedious.

As an aside - today I spent a fun 3 hours removing TR/Vundo.Gen from my Windows box at work, because some web page graphic took advantage of a Windows/Firefox/Java vulnerability and infected the machine. I'm not saying Macs aren't vulnerable but I honestly can't imagine this kind of thing happening on Mac (at least it isn't happening yet).

As for price - I have bought several pre-built PC laptops like Dell, Sony etc - I can say without exception that none of them is built as well as Mac laptops. The build is not solid, the plastic creaks, it's generally a much inferior machine physically, and it really shows after 2 or 3 years of use. At work we have an ancient 550mHz G4 Powerbook which still works great. Re: desktops - given the choice of a POS Dell pre-built desktop machine and a Mac - what do you think most musicians will go for? The one that comes filled with lots of stupid startup apps (Trojans) or the more expensive one that won't give you hell trying to get it to work? Most musicians I know don't want to re-install the OS as the first task when they bring their new computer home.

Anyway, we can argue this all day, but all I'm trying to say is that it's wrong to assume that Macs are purely fashion/status symbol/marketing bullshit - I would agree with you on things like iPods but I can't agree regarding Macs.

It's not a question of 'which machine is more "pro"' - it's all about what machine is easier to deal with... most 'pros' don't have much time to deal with the annoying problems often found on Windows so that basically leaves the Mac.

I'm happy to be convinced otherwise, but by rational, realistic arguments only

By the way, I used to feel the same about Macs as you, until I spent some decent time with OSX and understood the ethos behind it (or succumbed to the brainwashing, depending on your perspective

darkrezin wrote:I'm definitely not in the 'Apple camp'.
It may be fair to say that I'm in the 'Mac camp'

hehe, but that as true as it is for me.
I hardly ever visit the Apple home site, I hardly ever visit computersites anyway, only when I need something to buy, like recently a newer DVD drive (43 euro, Pioneer but not Apple branded and -indeed- much more plastic!).
I can forget about my mac as a hardware machine for months, I'm not thinking of it, it's just there.
If I start having Cubase crashes I know it's time to upgrade to a faster processor, that's it.

What 'open' pc world?
I told you lately what I changed in my old and new mac, including a (new) faster processor board for my old mac, bought for 45 euro from someone on ebay/Hongkong.
Yes, all those dumb pro mac users are blinded by Jobs marketing talks, we are stupid, as he himself stated already, so who would deny that

It's time to ask John for a mac corner on this forum, I bet the conversation would be much more focussed on making music than the all and everywhere dominating never ending tech and problem talk (no offend tho).
Imagine all that bullshit would be removed from planetz, what a lightness of being would that give.
And a problem forum could be left out, what a relieve...

Imagine, before I came to Planetz I really didn't know what 'they' were talking about: mobo. mobo? motherboard? whát motherboard? does my mac have that also?
(in the nineties pc wasn't really in charge, and I hardly knew serious pc musicions).
Yes, that sounds 'green', but I made music on mac for years already (9 to be precise).
Aside mobo's you also have the real tech stuff: IRQ, HT, ACPI layer, totally unexpected midi behaviour, clicks and pops (never heard how that sounds), etc.
Boring, really boring.
Did I say boring?
Yes, boring, really really boring.
Boring?
yes, b-o-r-i-n-g.
boring. boring.
BORIIIIIINGGG...ahh

But... me too must be indoctrinated...
it's strange tho that my macs seems to be indoctrinated also: they work as marketed, the thing just works, and as most of you know I have a relatively complicated setup with two macs, thanks to Creamware (and Apple, indeed, I would like to kill Jobs for leaving out the classic PCI format).
If I wouldn't be on Planetz, I would hardly ever think of my computer, the thing is just there.
Yeah, sthey look nice, but it's under my table, I never look at it

No need for a separate forum IMHO... there are plenty of Mac forums out there. It's not needed here, it would just be cool if people didn't get caught up in politics and marketing crap for a fuckin computer...

darkrezin wrote:No need for a separate forum IMHO... there are plenty of Mac forums out there.

naah... they are boring too, why would I like to talk about my computer anyway (indeed)?

hubird wrote:naah... they are boring too, why would I like to talk about my computer anyway (indeed)?

well, there are several people proud enough of their hardware to copy the specs to their sigs, so there certainly must be something about it

-greetings, markus-

hubird wrote:If I wouldn't be on Planetz, I would hardly ever think of my computer, the thing is just there.
Yeah, sthey look nice, but it's under my table, I never look at it

me too.

I guess the Mac chip on your shoulder is hard-wired

I got your point though... the thing is, I was pointing out that it was a little bit paranoid and ridiculous, which seems to be based on an assumption that the Mac is an inferior machine or designed for inferior, stupid people.

A good friend of mine is a programmer who's worked on Windows his whole life - totally Windows-centric guy, he had friends working at M$, he even had a Media Center in his front room (!). Recently he saw the advantages of Macs and switched all his machines. He's definitely not stupid or ignorant or the type of person who believes marketing. He simply used the system for a while and liked it.

I'm not saying everyone should switch - just that prejudice against people who do is unnecessary

stardust wrote:yep.
Mine works as well.

you lucky bastard!