SonicTimeworks P-100...

[Mr Arkadin]

Its not THAT tedious, but you have to listen through your composition in real time, which i surely understand some people dont like.

[braincell]

Maybe some of you are making compositions with only one or 2 tracks I get it. You are right it's no problem for you.

[Mr Arkadin]

Gosh, we're all so spoilt these days with rendering - anything realtime seems such a hardship. Pity i have to listen to people's music in realtime, such a chore.

The way i see it the things that Scope give me far outweigh the things it doesn't. If you're more bothered about rendering than about what Scope gives you these days braincell, and it sure seems that way, why not just go totally native? You could still use your Scope card for monitoring so you won't have lost any money getting a new system.

Me? i'm happy to record 24 tracks in realtime. Maybe you have no realtime instruments (ie. guitars, vocals etc) in your music which is why you are part of the render generation. Us oldies do it the slow way. Sometimes i'll even play a synth live for the whole track (OK with some drop-ins, i'm no one take wonder).

[braincell]

I use both.

I fail to see why it has to be just one or the other. My only point was that Creamware clearly doesn't do everything.

By the way when are we getting a new Rev? My guess is never.

[irrelevance]

I use both.

I fail to see why it has to be just one or the other. My only point was that Creamware clearly doesn't do everything.

By the way when are we getting a new Rev? My guess is never.

Seems to me that you're just pissed because there are those that have found an almost perfect system for their requirements...

I don't use any of the STS range but recently a cooked up a modular patch for a particular sampling requirement that neither Kontakt or nn-xt could handle!
The proof is in the pudding.

[braincell]

That's wonderful. I'm sure the Modular can keep you busy for a lifetime. I'm looking
forward to buying the newest Flexor modules as soon as I pay off my credit card.
Adern is one of the few hopes for future Scope developments.

[Mr Arkadin]

I fail to see why it has to be just one or the other.

Same here. But look again at your first post and it sounds like you're throughly pissed off with Scope and you call it limited, sounded like you want another system to me. It really is only limited (artistically) if you have a limited imagination, but it is limited in some technical aspects - but the flexibility of the architecture allows you to work around them, unlike a lot of native-only solutions. Just for the record i use Scope, i use hardware synths, guitars, VSTi (including BFD which streams), so i'm no fanboy of one way of working - but i am a fan of the fact that Scope easily allows me to integrate all these.

My only point was that Creamware clearly doesn't do everything.

No-one would ever claim that. No-one did. But it does a lot of things (like routing for instance) that the VST world doesn't do. i think the routing alone is far more interesting and creative than being able to render.

[irrelevance]

I fail to see why it has to be just one or the other.

Same here. But look again at your first post and it sounds like you're throughly pissed off with Scope and you call it limited, sounded like you want another system to me. It really is only limited (artistically) if you have a limited imagination, but it is limited in some technical aspects - but the flexibility of the architecture allows you to work around them, unlike a lot of native-only solutions. Just for the record i use Scope, i use hardware synths, guitars, VSTi (including BFD which streams), so i'm no fanboy of one way of working - but i am a fan of the fact that Scope easily allows me to integrate all these.

My only point was that Creamware clearly doesn't do everything.

No-one would ever claim that. No-one did. But it does a lot of things (like routing for instance) that the VST world doesn't do. i think the routing alone is far more interesting and creative than being able to render.

It's true damn it! ADAT,Analogue, ASIO, midi(not multi client but you can't have it all)..There's just no excuse not to route thru Scope.

Actually I'm one of the dummies that hasn't picked up the p100 yet.
I'm very close to reaching for my wallet on this one but it's so close to Christmas

[Shroomz~>]

The P100 is the best reverb for SFP without a shadow of a doubt. To my mind, Warp69 who made it, is the only person who'll improve on it (if that's possible).

[braincell]

It's pushing the limits as it is.

[garyb]

midi(not multi client but you can't have it all)..There's just no excuse not to route thru Scope.

using multiple sequencer midi modules, midi is effectively multi client. asio, however.....

[hifiboom]

This is thread about SonicTimeworks and overall Creamware synth design. Samplers are bad to me indeed but they are just a pretty small percent of big system. I am finding hard to understand that someone can judge such amazing bundle and 3rd party offer by just stock samplers. Anyway there is a bunch of other better samplers so go and buy it. No one will stop you.

Again this is appreciation thread. If you want to s*** about samplers please do so but start another thread about that.

Best regards!

the samplers aren`t that bad....

you can argue if the cw filters are perfect compared to analog filters, but compared to the vst filters build into several vst samplers they are pretty strong and musical sounding!
most vst filters I`ve heard sound weak and have some ill sideeffects.
and the bigger sts series give you access to many different filter flavours, like the bigger hardware samplers. (over 20)
What other native samplers has such a flexibility?

I still remember my akai s2000 low pass filter had a pretty similar flavour to the cw lowpass filter.

The cw samplers have a pretty reliable and well implemented akai import function.

If you have some akai sampling cds the cw STS series does a pretty good job loading and playing them in the way they are intended to sound.

For workflow I prefer VST samplers over CW too, but soundwise and featurewise they are very good.
I aggree that the many-window architecture would need an workflow and gui update.

[eliam]

The sts samplers are fine, they sound pristine and the filters are many and allow a lot of sonic manipulations. The modulation architecture is well done too. I also have an e-mu E5000 ultra hardware sampler, which supposedly has the best filters of the bunch (and I believe so), and yet I love what the sts gives me, both in terms of ease of use and sonics. Sometimes it's simpler to have it all itb. The e-mu is in another league still.

I see 2 important improvements though: the patch changes cut the note which is playing. That's bad, it makes patch changes unusable unless there is a pause in the part. Annoying. If we could have a filter slot to allow the use of flexor filters, it would be da bomb!

I don't really see why the sts have a bad reputation, I guess people just scratch the surface and judge too quickly.

Excuse this off-topic comment... Scope is GREAT!!! P100 is awesome! I want to get the A100 asap!!

[braincell]

I find the STS series difficult to use partly because the GUI is small and partly because it is a crappy design. I don't see why they had to go with the AKAI layout .

If the module was full screen, you could display all those windows in one screen without having to *constantly* switch back and forth

If you want to import a sound you have to open the browser. Why do I need another module to import audio?

I don't like the way you drag the samples to the keys and the keys are so tiny, it makes it difficult to hit the right one.

Compared to VSTi, I fnd that the STS series sound better for bass sounds and VSTi samplers sound better for treble sounds. They sound totally different and nobody has been able to explain why.

I do know that it is impossible to change formats without altering the sound and since so few sample collections are made in the native STS format, you will almost never hear the sound as it was originally intended to sound unless you make your own which for reasons I explained above, would be very frustrating and take a long time.

[hifiboom]

braincell I fully aggree with what you are saying.
yes and I agree that the STS is one of the weakest parts in scope, because of the hardware style gui-copy.
The usage is, mmh lets say time consuming.
Yet the quality of the STS is like any other scope device: high.

Get some of the hundrets or thousands of akai sampling cds and load them into sts.

Its fun... and it sounds very good.

[braincell]

It sounds better for bass and percussion but worse on other sounds. I tested it.

[next to nothing]

its been a long time since i used kontakt now, is it possible to actually sample with it now?

[Music Manic]

I fail to see why it has to be just one or the other.

Same here. But look again at your first post and it sounds like you're throughly pissed off with Scope and you call it limited, sounded like you want another system to me. It really is only limited (artistically) if you have a limited imagination, but it is limited in some technical aspects - but the flexibility of the architecture allows you to work around them, unlike a lot of native-only solutions. Just for the record i use Scope, i use hardware synths, guitars, VSTi (including BFD which streams), so i'm no fanboy of one way of working - but i am a fan of the fact that Scope easily allows me to integrate all these.

My only point was that Creamware clearly doesn't do everything.

No-one would ever claim that. No-one did. But it does a lot of things (like routing for instance) that the VST world doesn't do. i think the routing alone is far more interesting and creative than being able to render.

It's true damn it! ADAT,Analogue, ASIO, midi(not multi client but you can't have it all)..There's just no excuse not to route thru Scope.

Actually I'm one of the dummies that hasn't picked up the p100 yet.
I'm very close to reaching for my wallet on this one but it's so close to Christmas

I've been trying to buy it but Timeworks won't allow paypal yet .

[hifiboom]

It sounds better for bass and percussion but worse on other sounds. I tested it.

what do you mean?

do you say that a sample on scope sounds other than natively?

you mean the filters?

[bill3107]

STS
i agree with the fact that different opinions are welcome here ! I just ask people to talk about what they really know/own. I won't comment STS as i use native samplers. They seemed not very handy to me so i drop them few years ago although one of my friends had told me they sound very good).

OVERALL
On the other hand, i can only compare Scope with UAD... I would say that UAD has a better GUI (a host of plugins are beautiful) whereas Scope 3rd party plugins could be improved when it comes to GUI (the soniccore plugins are always nice to me). Otherwise , Scope offers so many tools with an incredible good quality and at a very fair price : effects but also numerous synths. When comparing with a UAD, this latter just gives you few very good plugins whereas Scope has plenty available. Since 3rd party developpers have created the missing ones : high-end reverbs, comp, Eqs ... i cannot live without my rooting window anymore (2 screens is not a must, just a must-have ! )

I sold the UAD (studio package) as i really prefer to focus my attention (and my money) on my scope system : flexibility, amazing sound, big synths and ....man .... so many plugins now !!!!! Of course this is just MY opinion ...

Jo