Illuminati and INWO

[garyb]

i'll add another example of human nature. after a disaster, there are a few predators who will try to profit, but the majority of the community will band together, protect one another, share resources and assist the young, old and weak.

this behavior must be constantly suppressed by the powers that be through endless advertisement, programming and pressure. this is what the entity that is partially expressed through the nwo and illuminati etc requires to live.

[garyb]

On 2006-07-07 02:18, astroman wrote:
in Germany there's a political phrase about the 'knowledgeable and aware citizen', wow ...
it would be easier to get a vote for an invasion of Iran than to suggest a speed limit on the autobahn for more economic use of resources.

if it really was a choice put to ALL the people as adults, we'd almost all do the right thing.

when people are perpetually children(because the "leaders" wish to have slaves instead of being public servants themselves), very few do the right thing, and then it's often for the wrong reasons......

[lagoausente]

There are theories that claim that the attack to the World Trade Center in 11S, was make by the own US, at least for the power men that a planning the 3rd mundial war.
What do you think about this?

[astroman]

I don't think that anyone is planning a WW3 (in the traditional sense) as even the most naive ones among the group you mention are aware that Plutonium pollutes enviroment for millions of years.
Btw chances seem to be much higher that a 'system error' in one of the global missile control centers will cause the worst case, instead of a political affair...

Afaik some 'strategies' include revenge programs that operate even without human control - as the operators are supposed to be dead by the first strike of the opponent.
If one of those missiles is launched it will inevitably take control over all remaining warheads and fire whatever is available.
Timeframe to 'react' isn't even 10 minutes... or so... (to stop the first missile - if it'son it's way there's nothing anyone can do)

regarding the WTC attack (which has been discussed up and down), your suspect is as adventurous as it's possible.
The most convincing fact is the relatively low number of victims - during regular working hours there could be up to 50k people in those buildings...
and a huge amount of gold supposed to be under the building is missing (according to rumors)
BinL could be dead for years and someone fakes his 'messages', sampled and cut from old tapes or they even have a virtual character - anything goes today.
As those anti WaT sites could be just a clever business idea

cheers, Tom

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[lagoausente]

What business do you suggest?

[Shroomz~>]

The business of charging people money to read & view information in the name of the people running the 'alternative' sites making a living from it. Whether that's right or wrong is pretty irrelivant though..

[eliam]

There is strong evidence (overwhelming evidence actually) suggesting that the buildings on 9-11 did not fall as a result of the plane impacts but due to explosives placed in the buildings. If you don't know about this, I recommend many interesting documentaries, easy to get through bittorrents. Just do a search and enjoy!

One fairly plausible theory is that they (the evil dudes) staged the whole thing to get popular consent for starting a war as well as attacking the american constitution, which is actually the biggest obstacle for them to install their planned worldwide dictatorship and basically kill everyone. This seems extreme? Somewhat it is true. They do plan a 3rd world war, but they were prevented to make it happen many times because there are other Forces in this world above their insane filth and desire for destruction. If it were not for Divine Interventions from Beings of Light who watch over us, my dear friends, we'd probably have no planet left.

The good news is: the downfall of evil is well underway, and as I said, kindness and Love and peace create an energy which no destruction can stand against! If there's a way we're going to stop war it is through Love!

[alfonso]

On 2006-07-10 14:47, eliam wrote:
....because there are other Forces in this world above their insane filth and desire for destruction. If it were not for Divine Interventions from Beings of Light who watch over us, my dear friends, we'd probably have no planet left.

The good news is: the downfall of evil is well underway, and as I said, kindness and Love and peace create an energy which no destruction can stand against!

There are too many victims and too much people suffer of true horrors to make such a statement acceptable for me, sadly, because I would really like it...

Sorry, I don't want to be cynical, I don't think I am, but I fear very much the reduction of everything to a matter of superior forces and supernatural wishes, it makes people comfortable with themselves hiding the contradictions that are in everyone of us.

I prefer keeping asking myself if there is something more than I can do apart of loving others and trying to be a fair and honest person, wich is good but doesn't seem to stop the horrors.

If I couldn't do anything, I'd prefer to avoid easy ways to feel better, I want to call the things with their names and recognize the responsibilities where they are.

Again, I'm sorry, but if innocents are slaughtered everyday, the idea of superior forces is extremely irritating for me...not because of their existence, that I won't question here, but the fact of hiding behind them.

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[darkrezin]

I think what he meant is that the good energy and light exists in people who resist tyranny - it requires people to stand up and fight these forces - i.e. don't believe propoganda on the news, don't think in lowest-common-denominator terms, don't have a blind belief that democracy is automatically good.

Whether or not you choose to believe there are divine forces behind this human resistance or not is up to you.

I've said it before and I'll say it again - religion left a bad taste in the mouth for a lot of people because of the actions of a power-hungry few. They hijacked religion for their own greed for power - religion itself is not the cause, it's the capacity for man to use any bullshit premise for personal gain. Nowadays democracy is the standard reason given for inflicting war and suffering

[alfonso]

On 2006-07-11 09:08, darkrezin wrote:
I....don't have a blind belief that democracy is automatically good.

I think that democracy is good if exercised, and it's just a result of history, it's not a value nor something that can be "brought". Consciousness and awareness are the qualities that can make it real and make people act because they feel they have gained the right to it.

There is a big cultural battle in western societies between those who want to keep contact with reality even if painful because they like to hope for a society where people help each other and are not blinded by irrational fears and divisions and those who can't stand the weight of such a responsibility and help themselves with illusions and magical thoughts (reality shows and the lust for money are the newest, thinking to belong to a better race or to have an exclusive and preferential contact with superior forces are the oldest, but the psychological mechanisms are identical).

I don't say that spirituality is not important and not a beautiful thing, for many people it is so, but I think that for each job there are appropriate tools, and you can't convince a greedy bastard war lord with your kindness, you have to exercise that little power that democracy gives to you to connect with others like you and pull the carpet under the feet of these people.

Democracy is a tool, because, if you notice, every power needs consensus, so many efforts are put, for example, to induce fear of the muslims to the western populations in order to make easy to accept that awful horrors like Guantanamo happen without any good hearted Alfonso or Eliam or Jimmy being everyday in the streets demostrating against it, or worst, not voting them or, worst than ever "not buying"!!!

Well I simply don't like that "High Forces of Love" are asked to do the job that we all should do, because is this that I suspect that really happens for most of us, and it's what for sure the power elites try to induce and to diffuse with their organized churches and idols.

If I don't feel to commit personally to peace with all the taking of responsibility it requires, that's fine, but demanding everything to superior forces is not moral for me.

Meditate and get a better person talking with your gods if you believe so, this is wonderful, but if you want to fight the war you have to pay something of your own life, you must use the same tools that an atheist would, because you have to be together for this purpose, an use the practical tools you have, democracy is one of those.
It costs though.

[eliam]

This is a classic reaction, to say "if there are Higher Forces, how come the slaughters don't stop?" The answer is quite simple: because we are still free beings. If we were not what would be the point of being alive and using our creative powers to make something good out of it? The point is: many people have decided to use destructively their power, and if we were not guided and taken care of to a certain extent by Mighty Beings of Light among which are the creators of this solar system, there would be no hope left, the situation would be MUCH MUCH worse than it is now.

I'm not here to convince you or anyone that it is true, you make up your own mind and that is fine. I don't see anything irritating about this, we can be helped to the extent that we accept to be helped, unless exceptional situations make an intervention necessary to save us from the worst. It is like with a good friend, he will help you get out of big trouble when you need him but won't carry you on his back all the time.

Now about being good and kind and loving, that is more of an emotional setting necessary for constructve and powerful action. If something is made to change things out of bitterness or in a confrontational attitude, then it just feeds the oponent. I think you can see what I mean. Each have powerful creative Divine Powers within themselves, but unless They aren't used with pure and peaceful intent, then they create more destruction than good in the end. The example of Gandhi comes to mine. The kindness of this man and his resolve to be loving is what made him successful. Could you imagine if he had gone angry and tried to battle the destruction that was whirling around? The chaos would have been much worse. The man knew better. Instead he held his own counsil, stayed poised and went with God within to find the courage and clarity to do the right thing. He was a profoundly spiritual man, and so were many of those who did great things for mankind.

I understand people who don't want to believe in Higher Divine Powers and Beings of Light, I was one of them during a long time. All I can say (in all kindness) is don't wipe too fast out of your consciousness things you know nothing about and that so far transcend you and me that they seem totally out of this world. We have seen nothing yet my friends! The time of revelations is at hand, be prepared!

Be at peace

[eliam]

Alfonso, we agree on many things. Peaceful action can be powerfully decisive, and must be so in the extreme destruction which seeks to engulf this planet.

You seem to assume that being loving and kind means to be passive and sitting there doing nothing, but this is not the case I assure you.

The power of radiation is vastly underestimated though. In a compassionate, loving spirit one can do more for mankind in one hour just by walking down the street without saying a word than the one who goes out shouting slogans in the street during 10 years! We are miscomprehending the forces at work within and around us. The power of silence my friend, is way more powerful to transform the planet than any open opposition or confrontation!

I'm not sayng it is useless to speak our minds and our hearts out loud, not at all! I think it is necessary and constructive when the intent behind it is positive.

Because you don't see the impact of something with your outer senses doesn't mean that it doesn't exist. Our senses are fooling us constantly.

[alfonso]

On 2006-07-11 10:37, eliam wrote:
Our senses are fooling us constantly.

You can't imagine how much do I agree.....
I'd also say that, exactly because of what you said above and I quoted here, not because you feel that something it's true it means that it exists.

Your words are useless for a skeptical mind wich is confortable with the idea of error, and missing the visible or logical proofs, your statements sound like an error dictated by needs, while those that believe( in the sense that they think something is true without any physical or logical proof) don't need them because they already have a "truth" as strong as they need it.

All this, again, is only to find a common ground to be positive and contribute for a better world, that I am absolutely sure eneryone hear dreams of, but I can't keep from feeling very distant from a language that doesn't really take in account the listeners. It's a bit like an obese trying to explain to a starving desperate that the only salvation comes from reducing the calories...he's just talking to himself, maybe because he has to put some effort to keep his motivation.
This is what really happens today, communication is difficult, everyone tries to make himself sure of the beliefs that heal his mind, and when you need an absolute truth you subconsciously need that the others believe it too, otherwise something's wrong.

I prefer to avoid believing what I can't see and keeping serious doubts on what I see, freedom for me is the freedom from certainty and freedom to love just because I like it.

[eliam]

I can relate to that. I'm happy we can happily discuss about these questions.

What I can tell you is that when the time came when my reductionnist mental conceptions of the world and of myself were severely challenged, that was not exactly the comforting experience that you refer to when you say that we believe what we're comfortable to believe. It is quite the opposite in fact. It would have been easier in a certain way to remain in my old false concepts because that was what I was used to, what I felt was "logical" and "tangible". How wrong was I. Life is so much more beautiful and magical and infinite, and miracles (so-called) are everywhere around us constantly, but our mental misconceptions prevent us from simply seeing what is.

I think it is a fair attitude not to believe everything that is presented to us without putting it to trial. The presence of Divine Beings as well as the Sacred Fire within us is fairly easy to demonstrate, not by any logical means but rather by direct experience. Somewhat, one has to be absolutely honest and sincere in his-her desire to know the truth rather than just proving that he knows better than Life.

So, let me tell you this: anyone who will call with all he is, all his heart, to the Forces of Light to reveal themselves as vividly as necessary to the self so there is no doubt about their existence, three times a day for a week or two cannot fail to feel the upliftment and the Light and the joy that nothing else in the world could possibly bring.

Now, you can theorize as much as you like about it, if you won't try it sincerely with an open mind, (not with blind belief mark you), but with an honest intent to try something new, then you cannot know what I'm talking about.

The funny thing is that most swollen intellects won't even bother to try what does not comply with their conceptions of life. This is unfortunate, because proof beyond any questions lies at hand, a few calls away. (This is not directed at you Alfonso, because I feel you are an open person)

It really all boils down to one question in the end: what do you want most: to know the truth or to hold on to your conceptions and opinions? I think this is worth meditating upon.

[alfonso]

On 2006-07-11 16:02, eliam wrote:

It really all boils down to one question in the end: what do you want most: to know the truth or to hold on to your conceptions and opinions? I think this is worth meditating upon.

I don't think there is a substantial difference, so none of the two... I want to keep tweaking my mind according to experience.

[TR_Blunt™]

I've been reading this material for a couple of years now....illuminati is a fact if you ask me....
but according to Michael Tsario it goes way deeper than just some rich fat families with bloodlines way back

Absolutly worth watching!!!!
http://video.google.nl/videosearch?q=Michael+Tsarion

pass it on....

peace & love

Greet TR




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[FrancisHarmany]

I liked the move moneychangers also! It told how the people in control of the money are playing there games. And how they did it in the first place!

Its time we put people before business. It should be a global law.