Using RMX 160 on drums

[hubird]

congrats!
and inclusive again

[Eanna]

What's the Bear dude on about? Does anyone understand?

Has a deadline to finish a project. Has successfully employed some Feedback technique on his drum stems. But the concensus on this forum is that it doesn't sound great.

Why was this thread started? Getting multiple instances of RMX-160 to produce sound? And that was fixed by using a different configuration of STDM Cables?

Not going to open up old ground to make new material for the more vocal members of this site, but a bit of clarification might go a long way to letting this ugly topic die. What's the final missing piece that will finish your jigsaw Bear?

Bear, your approach is simply bizarre. In the musical side, you seem to be adding complications to a late project. Any reason why what you already know about mixing, and any of the good techniques described by others on this topic, isn't creating the sound to which you and your drummer aspire?

And on the etiquette side, you really should be honest with yourself and look objectively at the tone in your posts. You seem to get very offended when folk critique your work. There's no need to attack those who made the effort to understand your posts, listen to your work, and put pen to paper critiquing what they are hearing. If you're so late that you may be in breach of contract and facing legal proceedings - don't overcomplicate things, and don't bother posting long, offensive and aggressive posts on this site. Just crack on and finish up!

And what's with the Poetry-style use of short line lengths in your posts?! You completely lose the flow of your posts because there's no visual clues as to the logical grouping of related ideas.

I won't be offering any critique of your mixes Bear. I couldn't be bothered lining myself up for a Bear Attack!

[dante]

The rules before the second world war in politeness is what many people today are missing.

Actually, the rules were not clear until after the second world war. German Navy commander Karl Doeniz was tried at Nuremberg for not picking up survivors of vessels his u-boats had sunk. Apparantly he was not executed because of testimonies from those such as U.S. Admiral Chester Nimitz who told the court that the U.S. Navy operated under the exact same orders.

To the victor goes the determination of rules - after the fact.

Also, I apologise to niceboy because we already had a mix of just drums and bass - the one used for the ScopeRise article:

http://soundcloud.com/hitfoundry/s-o-m- ... ms-at-44-1

DOH !

Nice bass sound.

[niceboy]

I usually stay away from the Problem thread becasue i am a problem. But this stuff is priceless.

Just this week I took in a DAW that wouldn't boot, so I got really nervous and paid rush service prices of 55 dollars.
My SATA cage has 4 x 3.5 HDD's and each can be removed and have an Acronis copy stuck in it, but after 9 years straight of using PCs and Macs live, this has never happened.
But I forgot the buttons on the right were power buttons, so I pressed the top button where the OS+Apps Drive is, and it wouldn't open, then I remembered the little latch on the left side of the Caddy.
Then I proceeded to blow every drive and give this dusty beast a bath.
When I went to boot in I got the message No Boot Mngr found.....I freaked, I tried over and over, even went into the BIOS which took forever as I forgot the password and after 5 hours took it in and said I need this in the morning.

Found out I turned the power button off on the right side of the drive.
They did thank me for bringing it in though...........

Well,............. Carry On.

I've made backup disks for all Harddisk we use on three of four Computers here.
Or actually switcher for four but two active and one just recording.
I am tired of the PC world we use both Ipads and IPhones here.
Whats up is a great and fast application in IPhone we use here .
I want to learn more how to surf in the water ,
when I come to S-Cal next time.
Now it seems we need to help Sonic Core to make an Apple Application.
That might need help from also my connections working in Science there.
Not my friend Professor in Mathematics in Chicago.
Some other people.
I need to make a more tight schedule here though in order to have things done.
Bear

[niceboy]

What's the Bear dude on about? Does anyone understand?

Has a deadline to finish a project. Has successfully employed some Feedback technique on his drum stems. But the concensus on this forum is that it doesn't sound great.

Why was this thread started? Getting multiple instances of RMX-160 to produce sound? And that was fixed by using a different configuration of STDM Cables?

Not going to open up old ground to make new material for the more vocal members of this site, but a bit of clarification might go a long way to letting this ugly topic die. What's the final missing piece that will finish your jigsaw Bear?

Bear, your approach is simply bizarre. In the musical side, you seem to be adding complications to a late project. Any reason why what you already know about mixing, and any of the good techniques described by others on this topic, isn't creating the sound to which you and your drummer aspire?

And on the etiquette side, you really should be honest with yourself and look objectively at the tone in your posts. You seem to get very offended when folk critique your work. There's no need to attack those who made the effort to understand your posts, listen to your work, and put pen to paper critiquing what they are hearing. If you're so late that you may be in breach of contract and facing legal proceedings - don't overcomplicate things, and don't bother posting long, offensive and aggressive posts on this site. Just crack on and finish up!

And what's with the Poetry-style use of short line lengths in your posts?! You completely lose the flow of your posts because there's no visual clues as to the logical grouping of related ideas.

I won't be offering any critique of your mixes Bear. I couldn't be bothered lining myself up for a Bear Attack!

No I am not involved .
We are just still Transfering advanced analog technic we learned to build in special
analog mixers for feedback .
Soundmixers.
After 5 years of struggle we got help from a famous professor in soundtechnic,
and he was involved in a Band that sold theire name to The Who,
so you can say the american band The Who.
That technic was used by Decca on the Rolling Stones and other bands of course
We are just transfering the technic into Scope.
Welcome to free Lessons.
http://www.xited.org/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=952

[wayne]

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[yayajohn]

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[Eanna]

Thanks for clarifying Bear. Makes sense now!
I should keep my nose out of conversations if I'm late joining the party...

I do hope you find a solution to replicating that analog technique in the Digital realm, and get it sounding sonically similar.

I've not yet been brave enough to use feedbacking techniques on bits and bytes instead of voltages..
I do have a feedback-generating pedal - a simple pedal with a send-return path in a loop, with adjustable Send and Return levels. So, to feedback digital audio, I route out of the box via the D/A converters, thru the pedal and the feedback loop, and send the audio back in via A/D converters.

I'll check your articles when I get the chance.

[hubird]

Thanks for clarifying Bear. Makes sense now!

lucky guy...

[niceboy]

Thanks for clarifying Bear. Makes sense now!
I should keep my nose out of conversations if I'm late joining the party...

I do hope you find a solution to replicating that analog technique in the Digital realm, and get it sounding sonically similar.

I've not yet been brave enough to use feedbacking techniques on bits and bytes instead of voltages..
I do have a feedback-generating pedal - a simple pedal with a send-return path in a loop, with adjustable Send and Return levels. So, to feedback digital audio, I route out of the box via the D/A converters, thru the pedal and the feedback loop, and send the audio back in via A/D converters.

I'll check your articles when I get the chance.

Its ready already in terms of playing and mastering and recording ,
but since some people want to do this I just did not get time to make examples ,
of what they thought the thread was about.
Its more than that .
Its a fact that Dante already answered very much usefull about that.
Thats about the dsp in both Xite and PCI Scope .
We have two W7 64 with 12 GB RAM here and one is used with a very good
RME HDSPe MADI going back and forward converted to ADAT.
Because we use Waves Multirack as preamps to Scope ,
its not only Scope.
Since Scope is so great and Waves new One Knob plugins,
have the same fantastic inside construction as the new music pack from Adern.
Thats in the pic we really want to be friendly to Waves.
Its a connections here about the plugin bx v2
SPL and BX has left Scope also to TDM where Waves are.
Thats what I intended first here.
That was only to find out also if the testing boxes for PCI to express connections ,
also make the PCI card as fast as an expresscard or if use of our second W7 64,
Computer maybe will help expand the dsp to very much more.
We use this Peter stealing from Paul technic and loading just more and more.
For now Sonic Core is not interested in updating Steinbergs Wavelab.
The war you see here is about that .
Its not only Steinberg its all ASIO developers thats involved ,
and having an interest of selling toys also in TDM.
So its not so easy to explaine why developers want me to go away.
Its a big fight for money.
Bear

[niceboy]

What's the Bear dude on about? Does anyone understand?

Has a deadline to finish a project. Has successfully employed some Feedback technique on his drum stems. But the concensus on this forum is that it doesn't sound great.

Why was this thread started? Getting multiple instances of RMX-160 to produce sound? And that was fixed by using a different configuration of STDM Cables?

Not going to open up old ground to make new material for the more vocal members of this site, but a bit of clarification might go a long way to letting this ugly topic die. What's the final missing piece that will finish your jigsaw Bear?

Bear, your approach is simply bizarre. In the musical side, you seem to be adding complications to a late project. Any reason why what you already know about mixing, and any of the good techniques described by others on this topic, isn't creating the sound to which you and your drummer aspire?

And on the etiquette side, you really should be honest with yourself and look objectively at the tone in your posts. You seem to get very offended when folk critique your work. There's no need to attack those who made the effort to understand your posts, listen to your work, and put pen to paper critiquing what they are hearing. If you're so late that you may be in breach of contract and facing legal proceedings - don't overcomplicate things, and don't bother posting long, offensive and aggressive posts on this site. Just crack on and finish up!

And what's with the Poetry-style use of short line lengths in your posts?! You completely lose the flow of your posts because there's no visual clues as to the logical grouping of related ideas.

I won't be offering any critique of your mixes Bear. I couldn't be bothered lining myself up for a Bear Attack!

One more thing then because Dante putted in an example of Lesson 5.
and we are still fighting this second world war .
This example is our song Season Of the Moon with only bass and drums,
but only one reverb .
With two more reverbs , and SPL Transient Designer instead of
Transient gear thats here maybe we do later,
because this example is more about testing also Waves.
SPL is much better Transient Design for drums.
But here we used SPL and RMX 160
http://www.xited.org/viewtopic.php?f=15 ... 9653#p9653
Test SPL Transient Designer before using drums in Lesson 6 then below.
http://www.xited.org/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=964
To be clear about that is that you can use SPL in ASIO first of course,
if you dont have older licenses with Scope .
Klck the link below is only bass and drums
http://soundcloud.com/hitfoundry/s-o-m- ... ms-at-44-1

[niceboy]

The rules before the second world war in politeness is what many people today are missing.

Actually, the rules were not clear until after the second world war. German Navy commander Karl Doeniz was tried at Nuremberg for not picking up survivors of vessels his u-boats had sunk. Apparantly he was not executed because of testimonies from those such as U.S. Admiral Chester Nimitz who told the court that the U.S. Navy operated under the exact same orders.

To the victor goes the determination of rules - after the fact.

Also, I apologise to niceboy because we already had a mix of just drums and bass - the one used for the ScopeRise article:

http://soundcloud.com/hitfoundry/s-o-m- ... ms-at-44-1

DOH !

Nice bass sound.

Thanks for putting in the bass and drums,

but can you change here it looks on your answere as I wrote what you are responding to.

It says niceboy wrote, but it was not me writing that .

Can you change that , I was responding against that.

It was my fault maybe ,and to Eanna you maybe missed that we are analog ,

on the guitars we use two analog tubedistortion pedals.

One Sibirian and one English.

Our Sologuitarist is from former Soviet Union and he thinks he sounds better

with the tube online.

He has done that before he Came to us.

Lituanian radiostations did never stop with feedback,

as well as all radiostations I assume,

or lost that knowledge because of presets,

like its here.

If the English think we must put our analog English Blackstar in a Marshall,

because of any reason its wrong for us.

Thats also what this fight was about, because now it seems to have gone.

This kind of attitude has been going on since 1920,

thats when the maffioso putted guns to Charlie Parkers head.

Saying you must play this now.

We sound more analog because we still amplifie analog gear on Guitar.

The other stuff people say to each other and think its so because they have said it.

Thats prejudism.

Please change that niceboy wrote on top here, it was probarbly just a mistake Dante,

but our Lituanian guitarist thats left handed was really forced to learn to write with his right

hand when he was in School under Soviet era.

Nobody said anything about his playing and you dont have to.

I also changed the wrongspelling on SPL , thats was bad but if you find that back in the thread,

can you tell me because thats bad and they might not be found on Google,

if it shall be help to have them back to Scope.

Bear

[dante]

but can you change here it looks on your answere as I wrote what you are responding to.

Fixed. You'll have to change the bit where you quoted me misquoting you instead of quoting the original author though.

Forcing left handed people to be right handed was a bad practice, also causing some speech problems or stutter.

The SPL mistake has been corrected, I wouldn't worry about it.

[niceboy]

but can you change here it looks on your answere as I wrote what you are responding to.

Fixed. You'll have to change the bit where you quoted me misquoting you instead of quoting the original author though.

Thank you very much again.
I really hope bx and SPL will read this.
Bear

[dante]

Those knobs are my favourite, Mesa Boogie V-Twin styled same as on my Digitech Valve FX.

Would love a V-Twin actually.

[niceboy]

Those knobs are my favourite, Mesa Boogie V-Twin styled same as on my Digitech Valve FX.

Would love a V-Twin actually.

On Bringer of good days its not on Solo here ,
but we have it on the second rythmguitar .
We have tested it on solo here and
even if the Sibirian is my favorite rythmguitar pedal.
We are going to have both on rythmguitars ,
but we tested it here on Solo and the feedback is
getting activated more Warm than Fat.
I mean its really good for our feedback .
Warm is more feedback than Fat in terms of dark timbre.
Its something with the Sibirian I like also very much,
lets say we will use the Sibirian also as Solo
because we have one song thats going to be
two Sologuitars on and now we really fighted
to have three guitars with all plugins loaded.
That took weeks and it was really as you said
Peter and Paul but Thank you very much for that,
We then knows that its better we use Synths in Xite going to PCI.
I want to say though that PCI is sort of better in terms of what we do now.
Very much for just one band.
Also I want to tell you that Toontracks is how to amplifie real drums
So we dont change default ,we just use the Grafik EQ for changes
and feedback with subbas.
Dont get me wrong here is a pic on our own modified wooden Snare
Extra big holes for side mic .
Lesson 1 where we use DAS TR1D in feedback on Snare is with this Snare
Bear

[niceboy]

Thanks for clarifying Bear. Makes sense now!
I should keep my nose out of conversations if I'm late joining the party...

I do hope you find a solution to replicating that analog technique in the Digital realm, and get it sounding sonically similar.

I've not yet been brave enough to use feedbacking techniques on bits and bytes instead of voltages..
I do have a feedback-generating pedal - a simple pedal with a send-return path in a loop, with adjustable Send and Return levels. So, to feedback digital audio, I route out of the box via the D/A converters, thru the pedal and the feedback loop, and send the audio back in via A/D converters.

I'll check your articles when I get the chance.

Ps : About the drums I just want to say if someone also read that we are so new to Scope ,
that we did not know we had SPL on one of our PCI cards we got very low price from Spain,
so up to now we actually had to use Waves Transient gear for drums.
We need to tell then that we do everything for drums in Scope now.
If you use ASIO in anyway you can use SPL Transient designer in ASIO then
before going in to Scope to do feedback and extra Verb on drums.
So Scope is fantastic gear for drums then first.
Bear.

[niceboy]

Those knobs are my favourite, Mesa Boogie V-Twin styled same as on my Digitech Valve FX.

Would love a V-Twin actually.

Now we mixed in drums with guitars here.
http://soundcloud.com/bjorn-olofsson/no ... 5-master-1
Here we mixed in a lot of punsch in the bass thats needed I think
The Synth is being recorded now to be on the sides.
Bear

[hubird]

Sorry to say but it sounds extremely dull, except some hi highs on the cymbals.
Guitar(s) and especially the drums sound 'far away'...

[Bud Weiser]

Sorry to say but it sounds extremely dull, except some hi highs on the cymbals.
Guitar(s) and especially the drums sound 'far away'...

Confirmed !

Bud