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FYI.. bx left CREAMWARE - not Soniccore.
I've been told face-to-face by Dirk / BX at NAMM that they LIKE Soniccore (nice, friendly, knowledgeable guys), and would like to come back at some point in the future.
In the meantime they focus on building up alliances with other developers for VST development.

G

p.s. go to about the 2:30 mark in this video to see what quality mix is possible in this type of music.
http://www.brainworx-music.de/en/videos ... k_makingof

niceboy wrote:

siriusbliss wrote:Whenever I use bx2 on master channel (including when doing a 'live' mix), I'm able to get a HUGE sound with good dispersion and separation. Drums pop out of the mix without stepping on bass or guitar. Here it's the other way around.

I guess I'll wait to see how your mix evolves, but for now it's all highly compressed mids and waveform looks maxed out despite relative low volume.

G

You are right we use Waves L316 on the recording raising with preset Basic 2
Live we use Optimaster on preset rock.
If we had normalised it also it would have been more volym but even more
Compressed .
We dont have to use that technic.
The drums is sounding more dark with the Optimaster.
That is right about the drums .
The level is set for live use by our drummer ,
when we got much more bass here.
We use Toontracks and he is going to mix the drums with another
Snare he said here.
This is my choice and the raise in upper mid with Waves L316
we do because its 16 band separation but maybe that preset Basic 2,
is no good.
For recordings feal free to tell me to use three Optimaster
or whatever to do the final touch.
We skipped Waves GTR on guitars because we got Transients on recordings.
and found the Sibirian tube first instead here.
Its analog distortion tubes, so we can skip all Waves exept the C1 sidechaine
for recordings and live we use C6 PA subbas cutoff.
The drums can have both darker mix and another Snare and another bassdrum.
This was your Quick fix you asked for and compression and the raise in upper middle,
from a preset Basic 2 is probarbly just too much.
It is also because L316 is used by so many famous
and look at theire Wave form
but the hard compression ,
and sound strong is something we dont have to use if we find another better trick,
to make it sound strong without upper mid raise that we dont do live.
We dont use bx on the master.
We use it as in Lesson 5 with feedback.
As told from them who builded it.
About having bassdrum pop out.
Thats what we want and is needed for rytm .
That is impossible with just some bx on the master.

Bear

I think instead of using compression on each/any of your loops / feedbacks, you instead try ONLY putting bx on master channel and use notch EQ on your feedbacks to carve out the instrumentation.

This is similar to how we did it back in the late 70's early 80's when the 'big sound' started happening (before they started saturating everything in reverb like in the 80's 'big-hair' band days).

But anyways, seems to me that using compression upon compression - with each compressor (multiple Optimasters?) reacting in it's feedback channel - will each respond differently at different rates and times (drums vs. guitar vs. bass) - causing the compression in the overall sequence to compete for space in the final mix.

It becomes a bottleneck I think.

Have you tried using bx ONLY on the master channel and use it to build your mid/side?

G

siriusbliss wrote:[
I think instead of using compression on each/any of your loops / feedbacks, you instead try ONLY putting bx on master channel and use notch EQ on your feedbacks to carve out the instrumentation.

This is similar to how we did it back in the late 70's early 80's when the 'big sound' started happening (before they started saturating everything in reverb like in the 80's 'big-hair' band days).

But anyways, seems to me that using compression upon compression - with each compressor (multiple Optimasters?) reacting in it's feedback channel - will each respond differently at different rates and times (drums vs. guitar vs. bass) - causing the compression in the overall sequence to compete for space in the final mix.

It becomes a bottleneck I think.

Have you tried using bx ONLY on the master channel and use it to build your mid/side?

G

Let me save some time here:

We dont need your bullshit technic.
Where is you Masters degree in sound technic.
You tell lies with your bullshit Marshall technic,
only we know the true way to use feedback technic.
Everyone else is lying with Marshall technic .
Your children will see the true way.
They have been sold bullshit technic.
You are wrong.
The world is wrong .
Only we are right .
You behave like Russian.
Our mixes sound perfect and we do not require
your advices based on bullshit Marshall technic.
You are not allowed to use Marshalls .
Our kick drum is superfat due to feedback techniq and not Marshall bullshit.
Our new panorated mix has 16 reverbs and 34 optimasters and you say it is mono .
Do you have ears .
We dont care what your Marshall waveform shows , my drummer thinks mix is perfect.
I hate the UK and Beatles ,
and Marshalls .

niceboy wrote: We dont want your opinion.

Do I need your permission?

The mix is crap whatever you and the drummer say.
BX is good, but you don't know how to use the plug or how to prepare the life mix for good use of it.
Still I say hope you get it right.

hubird wrote:

niceboy wrote: We dont want your opinion.

Do I need your permission?

The mix is crap whatever you and the drummer say.
BX is good, but you don't know how to use the plug or how to prepare the life mix for good use of it.
Still I say hope you get it right.

Can you be so kind then and get out of this thread,
We have work in progress here .
We do mastering over recordcompanies in America .
So we dont give a shit what you say.
Bear

whenever I peek into this thread, there's a virtual Al Bundy rising before my inner eye
... so please keep on going, bear

but from time to time a hint for those who stumble across this big pile of bs (lead by search engines) applies
NOT ALL Scopers are created equally wierd
it's NOT the fault of the technology, but the incompetence of the one who fiddles around with it
and he truely is the ONE and only...

to be honest, not even Eric deserves an idiot like you are - to spoil his devices
call it mix or live tracking or whatever: EVERY device mentioned in this context is stained by your rubbish
face that fact...

cheers, Tom

astroman wrote:whenever I peek into this thread, there's a virtual Al Bundy rising before my inner eye
... so please keep on going, bear

but from time to time a hint for those who stumble across this big pile of bs (lead by search engines) applies
NOT ALL Scopers are created equally wierd
it's NOT the fault of the technology, but the incompetence of the one who fiddles around with it
and he truely is the ONE and only...

to be honest, not even Eric deserves an idiot like you are - to spoil his devices
call it mix or live tracking or whatever: EVERY device mentioned in this context is stained by your rubbish
face that fact...

cheers, Tom

Ok astronaut
How is your John McLaughlin
Is he dead .
Did not have time to find out.
We now have very much famous musicians here from New York yes.
So you still think Erik likes what you try to do now.
Do you have a problem with something there,
and want help from someone ,with your problems.
Its not the issue here.

Bear

dante wrote:I appreciate the topic is about reverb, but I also agree that would be easier to evaluate if the other (upper) parts weren't there.

Posting a mix with guitars and organ muted might not be such a bad idea.

You can help them test ,
I dont work for them and my purpose was many things
but mainly to have bx and stl back to Scope.
I dont have time for this.
We have a schedule here.
We might need to go to court.
This cant be legal.
Bear

siriusbliss wrote:FYI.. bx left CREAMWARE - not Soniccore.
I've been told face-to-face by Dirk / BX at NAMM that they LIKE Soniccore (nice, friendly, knowledgeable guys), and would like to come back at some point in the future.
In the meantime they focus on building up alliances with other developers for VST development.

G

p.s. go to about the 2:30 mark in this video to see what quality mix is possible in this type of music.
http://www.brainworx-music.de/en/videos ... k_makingof

You got it now , but you got it wrong.
Skip how it sounds our mixes its by purpose to much cut off evrywhere.
How we sounds is not the issue.
The issue is that bx told me to us them like in Lesson 5.
Use two bx and then its not on the Stereo Master but one bus going to the Optimaster,
or whatever you want more .
We use the Master to make reverb.
So you are using theire guitar amp simulator.
They might read this and want to sell the real stuff bx v2
just because of the same reason.
Money will be paid because i theire Stereo mixdown plugin also Waves and DAS
have .
Using Cubase.
Its not going to work
Thats why we must be hard.
Its maybe very soon STL also will come back.
If not my friends in Nashville might make one new for Scope .
Its not for us we have them both
Bear

niceboy wrote:

siriusbliss wrote:FYI.. bx left CREAMWARE - not Soniccore.
I've been told face-to-face by Dirk / BX at NAMM that they LIKE Soniccore (nice, friendly, knowledgeable guys), and would like to come back at some point in the future.
In the meantime they focus on building up alliances with other developers for VST development.

G

p.s. go to about the 2:30 mark in this video to see what quality mix is possible in this type of music.
http://www.brainworx-music.de/en/videos ... k_makingof

You got it now , but you got it wrong.
Skip how it sounds our mixes its by purpose to much cut off evrywhere.
How we sounds is not the issue.
The issue is that bx told me to us them like in Lesson 5.
Use two bx and then its not on the Stereo Master but one bus going to the Optimaster,
or whatever you want more .
We use the Master to make reverb.

Ok, if this is the mix you are trying to achieve, then good for you.

G

siriusbliss wrote:

niceboy wrote:

siriusbliss wrote:FYI.. bx left CREAMWARE - not Soniccore.
I've been told face-to-face by Dirk / BX at NAMM that they LIKE Soniccore (nice, friendly, knowledgeable guys), and would like to come back at some point in the future.
In the meantime they focus on building up alliances with other developers for VST development.

G

p.s. go to about the 2:30 mark in this video to see what quality mix is possible in this type of music.
http://www.brainworx-music.de/en/videos ... k_makingof

You got it now , but you got it wrong.
Skip how it sounds our mixes its by purpose to much cut off evrywhere.
How we sounds is not the issue.
The issue is that bx told me to us them like in Lesson 5.
Use two bx and then its not on the Stereo Master but one bus going to the Optimaster,
or whatever you want more .
We use the Master to make reverb.

Ok, if this is the mix you are trying to achieve, then good for you.

G

You got it wrong again.
Good for me.
Its not for me its for new Scope Users.
If also Ralf Dressel is involved giving me info about how to use bx v2.
Its given for free also to me.
I dont know what happend.
The french DAS was going to UAD also .
People want money so I dont think Scope can afford to be without two plugins like
STL Transient Designer and bx V2
Thats why I am showing you in Lesson 5 how they told me to use two of them ,
in the mastering Chain .
All feedback is done before if someone want to Skip that
Bear

niceboy wrote: Ok astronaut
How is your John McLaughlin
Is he dead .
Did not have time to find out.
We now have very much famous musicians here from New York yes.
So you still think Erik likes what you try to do now.
Do you have a problem with something there,
and want help from someone ,with your problems.
Its not the issue here.

Bear

never mind...
whatever Eric does is HIS business, whatever you do is YOUR business and whatever I do is MINE
the only reason for me to add a couple of lines is clearly written above:

people might find those threads by search engines, listen to YOUR crap and think: omg... THAT is Scope ??? wtf

otherwise I don't care, no need to comment my posts.
for a moment I thought you were just kidding
but you seem serious about that stuff, ok - YOUR business
(possibly interesting from a medical viewpoint... an acoustic form of mental anorexia... distorted perceiption and such)

cheers, Tom

You got it wrong again.
Good for me.
Its not for me its for new Scope Users.
If also Ralf Dressel is involved giving me info about how to use bx v2.
Its given for free also to me.
I dont know what happend.
The french DAS was going to UAD also .
People want money so I dont think Scope can afford to be without two plugins like
STL Transient Designer and bx V2
Thats why I am showing you in Lesson 5 how they told me to use two of them ,
in the mastering Chain .
All feedback is done before if someone want to Skip that
Bear

niceboy wrote: Can you be so kind then and get out of this thread,
We have work in progress here .

you post a mix, I comment.
That's it.
If you don't want comment, don't post.
Face it

next to nothing wrote:You know, i never thought i'd understand your posts niceboy, but after listening to your music the puzzle was solved! And im not saying its good or bad or anything.

Fear the bear!

This is a post from a year ago, and I think Björn is actually achieving something that is close to what he is looking for. And if he is helped doing so by scope, so be it

Oh, and i doubt anyone is googling for Scope sound examples and make their decision based on his tunes. Posts about lack of development and non functioning updates might do, but this is not an advertisement central after all

Well said. I'm all for inclusivity.

next to nothing wrote:

next to nothing wrote:You know, i never thought i'd understand your posts niceboy, but after listening to your music the puzzle was solved! And im not saying its good or bad or anything.

Fear the bear!

This is a post from a year ago, and I think Björn is actually achieving something that is close to what he is looking for. And if he is helped doing so by scope, so be it

Oh, and i doubt anyone is googling for Scope sound examples and make their decision based on his tunes. Posts about lack of development and non functioning updates might do, but this is not an advertisement central after all

Thank you.
You can see by yourself
Someone actually asked us for examples and we are still researching here,
Thats transfering from analog gear that we still use because we still havnt got all answeres.
Dante is just a hero here because we also use one ASIO program,
Thats Steinbergs Wavelab 6 and 7 ,works only in Vista with Scope PCI for us.
and its not funny that we have to use this trick almost like hypnosis.
We got the message seen and its not good that we actually have to go to court here.
Its not clear yet because also Waves thats attacked here actually are kind of a big deal,
in TDM and in RME and the hard compressed Ben Minx TV mixes is very much used.
If its wrong or not is not what most people want to know.
They maybe want to know later if Sonic Core stays in the market.
We just advertice free now for our setup with bx with a pic also here.
How we was told by bx to use it .
Klick on the link below.
http://www.xited.org/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=952

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The court is not about you .
Its related in a confidential way.
Dont worry its not about you directly

I´ll bite.Björn please tell me what it is in particular then.
Please be very specific about the points and terms you wish to present.
Remember,i am into the post Industry a few years so i can relate and rate terms and conditions including violations of interlectual property very very well.
Also, written and signed statemens and examples of copyrighted music or templates are in to discuss.

And as a matter of fact,the members of this or any other Internet fora are not and will not be holdable for any obvious stupidity you put to the Table of content here.

Tadaaa...