Dick Armey Fired From DLA Piper

[garyb]

in my neighborhood there are at least 4 languages spoken and none understand the others. this can make friction, that's my only point about the tribal thing.

people are more than willing to unite, but no one wants to be the Serfs while others get to be Lords. no one wants to be dictated to, even for the best reasons, and that IS proper. we all get along in spite of the friction. there ARE some very bad people in every group and no amount of happy thoughts will change that. as to whether i feel hopeless or not, that might just be your own projection of your understanding of my language used....

one thing IS for sure, those that rule currently, cannot be trusted to come up with a just and equitable solution for anyone but themselves. they are not to be trusted or admired.

as to money ruling, once again my point is proven. SOME ONE runs the money system(one who doesn't require money, but one who supplies money for the lowers to use). there is the real ruler.

[siriusbliss]

Mass murder on the scale of the recent Kosovo was just a reminder of what a single faction of folks are capable of.
The people involved knew they were going to be caught, but in their eyes, the only good Albanian was a dead one.
Just waching and reading the arrogance of certain scientists, and even the story of the Rothschilds is enough to prove many of the current theories are possible. The youngest new Rothschild does have high standards and good tastes too. Having Natalie Portman at your beckoning call is an achievemnt as she doesn't involve herself in the usual Hollywood Schport und Schpeil.
In all honesty I believe that when the time comes during a world wide panic or famine, is when these wide scale plans can be implemented. Besides, during social collapse who's counting when food is scarce.
I am not wealthy but I am prepared as I believe this will happen in my lifetime, and since I consider my seed worthy of surviving I have prepared for that time most of my life. Not because I am paranoid and twisted, but I winessed death and social collapse twice where I grew up and I already know what needs to be done.
Right now we have had years of economic growth and spoiled our children and enjoyed our lives, and even during these good times the Police couldn't ever protect us. They can only come by and ascertain how you died and clean up the mess, so I am certain they will head for the hills when they are really needed, just like the Police in New Orleans did and that was just a Hurricane in an isolated part of the USA.
Those who have complained about citizens having the right to bare arms will understand why after it's too late. They don't know how to hunt, fish, shoot or stand on their own 2 feet.
But the little " crazy gun owners " who most of actually hunt, will survive unless it's Nuclear winter.
Whichever new occupant of the White House allows guns to be banned, I will know that something's cooking, and thankfully I made my purchases through poker games, and the private sector. I have never even used my name on the ammunition purchases, I always tell the friends I am with since I am paying and they are shooting they can sign...
I can't even find my name on a google search so I have done well staying under the radar.
I am sure you guys think I am a whacko now, especially my Brethren from Euorpe, but I guess you never been to St.Louis or Chicago.

Chance favours the prepared mind.

Yes.

And ask the CIA how well the manipulation of culture/religious/regional triggers worked out in the Kosovo conflict in helping the oil companies build pipelines across from the Caspian Sea. The alternative direction for pipelines is down through...Afghanistan.
http://u2r2h.blogspot.com/2008/02/kosov ... eline.html

Really unfortunate that people in that region were played.

G

[siriusbliss]

Running in circles.

We had this type of blah blah (gary quote) several times.
I think it is useless to argue since you guys seem to love the inevitable helplessness you drown in.

In most of these discussions it appears also that you love to be helpless cause it is a perfect pretence to continue your agendas - the personal ones.
I am not in a position to judge what drives your personal agendas and would avoid to blather on the universal phrases I usually read here to justify the inertia.
Might be better if you judge on your own.
No offense if I reconfirm the recommendation of NTN to 'travel' and internalize an 'alien' perspective.

IMHO the US, maybe because of gary's tribe and jungle law theory, is not ready for solidary concepts and might never get there.

Money rules the system and it doesnt matter much what kind of and whose greed or chauvinism favors that standard over others.

With and without Obomba you have a chance to change societal rag if you move.

It DOES matter that money rules the system, since the folks that print the money make the rules.
Our only recourse is stop buying their crap (literally - it's supposedly a capitalist society here, so what we buy, rules).

And you're incorrect in assuming that traveling around and/or living elsewhere in the world will give me anymore enlightened perspective. I've already contracted in Isreal and Malaysia, and have worked directly with people from all over the world in an international engineering environment. Believe me, I much prefer what the US was and can be, but NOT what it is now, and what it is becoming. There is a VAST distinction here. Unfortunately no amount of voting for one or the other puppet, or buying into some false ideological bantering will help the situation. People won't know what hit them until it's too late. History has proven this over and over.

People are ontologically geared towards maintaining tribal and cultural distinctions, that's just a given. I can't smoke enough pot to curry any more of an ideological view than this, and certainly since I actually inherently love all peoples and cultures - especially after sharing eat and drink with them on common grounds. If we were all the same, it would be a pretty boring world.

G

[garyb]

+1

[garyb]

"this is the best of all possible worlds"
-Dr. Pengloss(Candide's trusted misadviser)

[braincell]

What was this country? A racist gun loving nation. A nation where robber barons exploited the poor. How can you say you admire who we were? Some people want more equality, to move forward as our brethren in the EU have done; to advance education, health care and science rather than hold it back. I don't share your pessimistic view. There is hope as long as we can rid ourselves of the conservatives and their fight to hold us back in every possible way and to somehow go back in time, to a time that for most people, never was very good. I don't think the church should have a say in issues such as abortion or birth control. That thinking is so archaic.

A carcinogenic plastic softener (phthalate) is in toys and shower curtains and other plastic things. It's banned in the EU but not banned in the USA. Why? We can't get our act together. We ignore science. Our government is lazy and stupid. This is just one example. Republicans say they don't like regulations on industry. Why? Down with reaganism and theism!

[garyb]

What was this country? A racist gun loving nation. A nation where robber barons exploited the poor. How can you say you admire who we were? Some people want more equality, to move forward as our brethren in the EU have done; to advance education, health care and science rather than hold it back. I don't share your pessimistic view. There is hope as long as we can rid ourselves of the conservatives and their fight to hold us back in every possible way and to somehow go back in time, to a time that for most people, never was very good. I don't think the church should have a say in issues such as abortion or birth control. That thinking is so archaic.

A carcinogenic plastic softener (phthalate) is in toys and shower curtains and other plastic things. It's banned in the EU but not banned in the USA. Why? We can't get our act together. We ignore science. Our government is lazy and stupid. This is just one example. Republicans say they don't like regulations on industry. Why? Down with reaganism and theism!

the EU is doing the same terible things to humanity, even if the European middle class is well-to-do at the moment. the USA was once that too. it's true that there are many excellent laws protecting people in Europe, but Europe is neither homogenous nor perfect. i don't doubt that most European cities can be wonderful places to live. i also don't doubt that all the problems of drugs, violence and inhumanity can be found there. there are many things that humans have a right to in this world. it's pretty stupid to expect a government to defend those things without a lot of pressure and complaining though. power never wants to release power. the EU certainly does not care for the individual who actually suffers. both the UN and EU have made it clear that personal suffering caused by public policy is just too bad.

gun loving and racist are not joined at the hip. while many racists are gun lovers, many racists are also not gun lovers. many gun lovers are racists, but gun lovers as a group are not necessarily racists.

being a jingoist is at least as bad, nay it's worse than being a racist. lay off of the rhetoric. put the bong down. blow it out.

[braincell]

Your attempt humor but fail miserably.

[garyb]

i'm not kidding.

jingoism isn't that cool or helpful.

no reason to get heavy on my part though. you're not a bad person, and it's just the internet where "anonymity" often allows the projection of cartoon selves. nothing to get overly worked up over, just mildly otaku.

[braincell]

Once again, you are unable to argue without saying what you think about me. That is the bottom line for you isn't it? You always have to make it personal. You try to change the subject to me all the time. Don't do that. That is not a debate skill. It's weak.

[braincell]

It's pure speculation and it's OT and not getting clear and actually not a good start.

[garyb]

what's not clear?

i specifically said that the jingoism is NOT needed and asked you to drop it. there's no personal attack, unless it's the bong reference. if that's wounded you deeply, i apologise. that part is just foolishness, just like my calling myself otaku. relax, and lay off the hate speech.

[siriusbliss]

What was this country? A racist gun loving nation. A nation where robber barons exploited the poor. How can you say you admire who we were? Some people want more equality, to move forward as our brethren in the EU have done; to advance education, health care and science rather than hold it back. I don't share your pessimistic view. There is hope as long as we can rid ourselves of the conservatives and their fight to hold us back in every possible way and to somehow go back in time, to a time that for most people, never was very good. I don't think the church should have a say in issues such as abortion or birth control. That thinking is so archaic.

A carcinogenic plastic softener (phthalate) is in toys and shower curtains and other plastic things. It's banned in the EU but not banned in the USA. Why? We can't get our act together. We ignore science. Our government is lazy and stupid. This is just one example. Republicans say they don't like regulations on industry. Why? Down with reaganism and theism!

What this nation was (and hopefully still is), was a nation that offered opportunity, and fought against slavery, and the robber barons, and imprisoning religion.

These power-grabbing groups and slave-owners were in the minority back then, but have gained much more power in present day again under many guises. Fighting against them by adopting EU practices - where there is no doubt ignorance, racism (against Muslims or gypsies or whatever so-called minority), and corruption is not the answer.

Glomming together racists with gun owners is not a true argument either, since it shows pessimism as well, and quite frankly shows how well the media brainwashers have taken hold on peoples' minds.

If you want to stop carcinogens in plastic, then stop waiting for the stupid, corrupt, power-mongering government to do all your dirty work and start educating people to merely stop buying the carcinogens - in the same fashion that the church shouldn't have control over our bodies.

It's not just conservatives that are at fault here. It's a convenient label to blame SOMEONE, but they are not operating alone.

G

[garyb]

wow, logic and clear thinking on the internets...

[garyb]

stardust, don't get the idea that i don't enjoy these exchanges, i do, but aren't you expressing your chauvinism when you belittle what you don't agree with? chauvinism in itself isn't improper or purposeless. combined with error, it's a problem.

have you just finished a course, a program in these studies? perhaps the program requires an antivirus...

[braincell]

Gary, It's the interwebs not the internets and you can't define me. You can try but you will be wrong and it doesn't help your arguments.

[siriusbliss]

no, it's a series of tubes.

[valis]

Sneakernets anyone?

Mike Tyson says homing pigeon is in:

[garyb]

Gary, It's the interwebs not the internets and you can't define me. You can try but you will be wrong and it doesn't help your arguments.

nyah! same to you!

way to change the subject away from the outright sloganeering and jingoism...

[garyb]

Sneakernets anyone?

Mike Tyson says homing pigeon is in:

he's a baaad man...