JUST 10 Units left!

Post by **Guest** » Fri Oct 29, 2004 12:21 pm

creamware is almost sold out of Noah, their site announce only 10 units left.

Shayne White · Post by **Shayne White** » Fri Oct 29, 2004 1:04 pm

It's good that they've been able to sell them off; it means that they've been able to bring in an income. What's bad, though, is that now they're gone!!

I hope Scope is still doing well!

Shayne

Post by **hubird** » Fri Oct 29, 2004 5:26 pm

I think it's good news (in general, Shayne

), because it says that the NOAH adventure can be closed even maybe without any losses...
OR CWA may decide to devellop it further on a economical sane base.
There hands are free again, that's what I mean

Just humble considerations

doodyrh · Post by **doodyrh** » Sat Oct 30, 2004 8:32 am

Does that mean that they're not making any more?

astroman · Post by **astroman** » Sat Oct 30, 2004 9:06 am

imho the NOAH has been a massive loss for CW (and partially for CWA) due to the fact that marketing just didn't reach the proper target group.
NOAH (still) is a great concept in the context of (simplyfied) band revial/live music, the keyboarder in the 'classical' sense.

But this group obviously didn't notice the product as was expected - things like this can happen.

I'm doing much work for a publishing company in the domain of books about cooking - don't nail me down on that one, please - I'm aware of the recipies thread...

Our success can be deduced from ONE simple fact: the stuff isn't for the star chef elite, but for the lady - or the guy

next door. It's for their needs and their 'success' of catering a party or a nice evening or whatever.

So it's basically to be aware of what your target group needs and what they can afford or have the abilities (and gear) to do.
You have to forget about your own sophistication or knowledge about how something 'is done best'.
If you're in it for the money, it's the proper focus (and nothing else) that counts. period.
If you're successful then, there will be a budget for cutting edge and innovative stuff too. It's even necessary to keep attention and interest going.
But it's like a bet the horse track if you're just convinced that you invented the planet's most important whatsoever and need to convince people about that fact.
They may not react as expected, so better avoid this at all and be prepared appropriately

btw the blurb above nicely structured and spiced with a couple of charts is worth 500 bucks... (off-topic sidenote regarding revenues from plugin sales)

cheers, Tom

astroman · Post by **astroman** » Sat Oct 30, 2004 9:21 am

On 2004-10-30 09:32, doodyrh wrote:
Does that mean that they're not making any more?

not in it's present form - of course the dudes at CWA aren't idiots or ignorants.
they've learned a painful lesson and I'm absolutely convinced they know how to do it better - and would love to make their plans real.
unfortunately there's still the budget issue in between

I really don't want to be in their position now - must be a true PITA.

nevertheless the technical experience from NOAH will have a value for future products - don't forget they tried to extend their product line in a significant way.

hopefully there will be future releases in external boxes, but without the limitation of NOAH's 'fixed' architecture - more dynamically loadable with software and possibly even with old cards pluggable in the less powered versions.

I'm convinced they will have hardware with more recent Sharcs too, since those don't cost a fortune anymore - and of course more local memory to avoid that PCI bottleneck.

but what makes these plans difficult is that you'll need some kind of hardware controller - and that is bloody expensive in low unit counts, which CWA's gear will inevitably remain (in relation to CreativeLabs etc) due to their main target group.

cheers, Tom

dehuszar · Post by **dehuszar** » Sat Oct 30, 2004 2:57 pm

I don't imagine we'll see any more advanced boards until we start seeing mobos with PCI Express taking over the traditional slots.

Given that we aren't exactly sure how the whole 1x-16x PCI-Exp. bandwidth system will play out across the system bus, or how many of each speed we can expect to see on any given mobo, I shudder to think what might happen should CW release boards on the market without these trends solidifying and recovering from the tech's initial growing pains.

It remains to be seen what emphasis mobo makers will put in making multiple high-bandwidth PCI-E connections on the bus. If 3-4 card SLI configurations start popping up then we're in business, but I'm not sure we'll see that tomorrow.

Sam

astroman · Post by **astroman** » Sat Oct 30, 2004 4:37 pm

the PCI bandwidth bottleneck is due to the use of scratch memory on the mobo for fx like reverb and delay - there is no need for another bus for audio data transfer (to be recorded by the sequencer).
It wouldn't hurt either if the bus is faster, but imho the developement effort isn't worth the result.

A FireWire / USB-2 solution is so much simpler to be integrated into various OS brands and also easier to maintain.
It's hard to imagine that CWA wouldn't solve that local memory problem, if they ever gonna release a new hardware version again.

cheers, Tom

dehuszar · Post by **dehuszar** » Sat Oct 30, 2004 4:44 pm

Good point. But bus bandwidth will still be important for work at 96-192kHz and high track count, even if most of the "local memory challenged" plugs would be settled with a little local RAM. And even more, I think CW has learned that it's best to find out what the playing field is going to be like for the long term (i.e. finding out how the mobo makers prioritize PCI technologies on their boards and how soon the switch will be, etc.) before commiting resources to what "looks" to be coming down the pipe.

Sam

alfonso · Post by **alfonso** » Sat Oct 30, 2004 4:55 pm

Wouldn't be nice to make a firewire unit with the addition of a new proprietary connection with very high bandwidth to a pci card that should be just a "dock to pci" hardware extension, with available formats for all the present and future pci types?

We could have a cool unit to hook to a laptop and to connect to pci bus at home...

If I look to a future product it should have all the connectivity options available.

scary808 · Post by **scary808** » Wed Nov 03, 2004 8:49 pm

On 2004-10-30 17:55, alfonso wrote:
Wouldn't be nice to make a firewire unit with the addition of a new proprietary connection with very high bandwidth to a pci card that should be just a "dock to pci" hardware extension, with available formats for all the present and future pci types?

We could have a cool unit to hook to a laptop and to connect to pci bus at home...

If I look to a future product it should have all the connectivity options available.

Great ideas there. I'm planning on placing one foot in the Apple realm. As of now I've been looking at the Fireface from RME so I can "network" my Scope system with my future Mac via ADAT. With the exception of high end pro stuff(PT HD, Scope pro, etc) I think the PCI device thing is on it's way out.

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dehuszar · Post by **dehuszar** » Fri Nov 05, 2004 10:52 pm

On 2004-10-30 17:55, alfonso wrote:
Wouldn't be nice to make a firewire unit with the addition of a new proprietary connection with very high bandwidth to a pci card that should be just a "dock to pci" hardware extension, with available formats for all the present and future pci types?

We could have a cool unit to hook to a laptop and to connect to pci bus at home...

If I look to a future product it should have all the connectivity options available.

Well the Magma chassis sort of does that. It's CardBus instead of Firewire, but since when has more MB/s ever been a problem?

But it also has a PCI card that you can use instead of the CardBus attachment. Either adaptor attaches to a SCSI-2 Wide cable.

I used to have a bunch of bandwidth issues until I put all my audio files on an external Firewire HD. Bang, all my latency issues and pops & crackles, and PCI overload messages went away. Of course I can still get them if I really try, but I'm in a MUCH better position than I was.

Food 4 Thunk.

Sam