Welp this sucks, Here comes Hurricane Jeanne (Grrr!)

Basic Pitch · Post by **Basic Pitch** » Thu Sep 23, 2004 7:27 pm

And to think,

Not two days ago I finally took down the last hurricane shutter of my two story home with (20) yes (20) windows, each window using approx 6 pannels and now this next hurricane, I have no idea what the hell nature is up to but its crazy, never before has florida EVER seen a storm system like this in all history, this is what now? the 4th hurricane in like a months time.

Did any one see what happened in florida (pensecola beach) from ivan? the news said it was devestated, there has been a reported 30+ billion in damage so far from these storms, I dont know how much more florida can take especially seeing as how we are still cleaning up from frances.

Tonight me and the family went to get food to prepare and tried to get gasoline but the lines for gas were easily over 2.5 hours long so I plan to try and go in the middle of the night in hopes the lines will not be as long. One station was sold out of gas already =/

I have to say I am pretty bummed out about these storms its ruining peoples lives, especially the economy in the state.

They predict it to make landfall this sunday morning late saturday evening and is slated as a catagory (3). Guess I have to get the ladders out again tomorrow. I wish I was just lazy and did not take them down in the 1st place hehe.

Welp ill post more later, too annoyed over all this to think lol.

Cheers!

PS. This storm is the same one that destroyed haiti, pretty powerfull stuff.

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bassdude · Post by **bassdude** » Thu Sep 23, 2004 8:27 pm

Absolutely incredible Basic! Hopefully you have weathered the worst already though.

sinix · Post by **sinix** » Thu Sep 23, 2004 9:37 pm

Only living about 15 min from Basic Pitch, I'm essentially going through the same thing. 30 years of living in Florida and I've _never_ seen anything like this (nor has anyone else regardless of age). I went out for 3 hours in search of gas... easily going to 25 different stations. Half of them were sold out while the others like Basic said had a 2 or 3 hour wait. I finally got lucky and found one in the middle of no where that only had about a 45 min wait!

People are probably thinking, "what in the hell do you need gas for?! It's a hurricane, not a road trip!" Well, just about everyone in this state drives every place. I have a sixty mile commute everyday for work and public transportation here is practically non -existant.

I know, I know... people in parts of the world have it 100x worse. They worry about far more critical things. I understand this, but it's a little crazy here at the moment. Searching, then sitting in line for gas and waiting hours for food makes you think about what you have and what other people go through on a daily basis.

Still, it does your head in a bit at times.

- sinix

Basic Pitch · Post by **Basic Pitch** » Thu Sep 23, 2004 11:36 pm

Sinix,

When this is all over we should meet up for a beer and talk about our war stories lol..

On a side note, I just went and filled both my and my wifes cars at a station since its 12am here, lines were down to 20min wait.

Atleast I got it. One other thing about the gas is that, while the commute is one thing, another is, when there is no power like with frances for 2 weeks, that means after the hurricane if you have no gas you are stranded and can not get anywhere untill power returns, so its like a precaution of sorts for us floridians

Ken, dont worry hehe, this is a 1st for this state in all of its history, and they say there is no such thing as global warming muhaha!

Cheers!

Immanuel · Post by **Immanuel** » Fri Sep 24, 2004 12:26 am

On 2004-09-23 22:37, sinix wrote:

People are probably thinking, "what in the hell do you need gas for?! It's a hurricane, not a road trip!"

Yeah well, In Denmark we had a general strike (do you say that? People stopped working) some years ago, and guess what people where insane about getting? YEAST!!! Some people would sell it at 2000% the normal price. The backers (who still worked - not everybody stopped) had plenty, so it wasn't like we could not get bread.

Best of luck to both of you. And not to be harsh against you personaly, but as I see your description of the need for fuel, and as my impression is about american cars, it is kind food for thought, that Florida gets the roar from what some of us believes to be global warming ...

spoimala · Post by **spoimala** » Fri Sep 24, 2004 1:14 am

On 2004-09-24 01:26, Immanuel wrote:
Yeah well, In Denmark we had a general strike (do you say that? People stopped working) some years ago, and guess what people where insane about getting? YEAST!!!

And sugar? So all danish people make huge amounts of self-made alcohol

Post by **garyb** » Fri Sep 24, 2004 3:24 am

takes one to know one....

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Immanuel · Post by **Immanuel** » Fri Sep 24, 2004 5:26 am

Nah - home brewing is not a big thing in Denmark. I do know some Finnish women, who as teenagers sold home brew Killio. They made it for them selves, but there where banana fly larva in it, so they sold it ...

I guess, you re rigth Gary

sinix · Post by **sinix** » Fri Sep 24, 2004 8:46 am

Best of luck to both of you. And not to be harsh against you personaly, but as I see your description of the need for fuel, and as my impression is about american cars, it is kind food for thought, that Florida gets the roar from what some of us believes to be global warming ...

It's a good thing I drive a nice little fuel efficient German car!

(I know what you mean though)

Counterparts · Post by **Counterparts** » Fri Sep 24, 2004 8:56 am

Regarding global warming...yes, I think that humankind's actions over the last two hundred fifty years or so have contributed, but over the course of millions and millions of years, the Earth goes through hot/cold cycles, regardless of the burning of fossil fuel.

This is the warm part of the cycle; the Earth's warming up and will continue to do so even if we all stop driving cars, using oil etc. etc. I honestly believe that there's noting we can do about it.

Compared to the input of the whole system (the SUN, the Earth), I think that humankind's contribution is minimal.

The one global change we have truly accelerated IMO is the change to the ozone layer. Especially crazy, irresponsible projects such as the HARP project! What was that about?

"Can we build a gun to blast a hole in the ozone layer?"

"Yup, we can!"

Madness.

Back on subject...best of luck for the next 'wave', BP. You may need to invest in mechanically deployable shutters... :-/

Royston

BingoTheClowno · Post by **BingoTheClowno** » Fri Sep 24, 2004 9:45 am

There is one oceanic water flow called "The Great Ocean Conveyor Belt"

that

...governs our climate by transporting heat and moisture around the planet. But the Conveyor is delicately balanced and vulnerable, and it has shut down or changed direction many times in Earth's history, Broecker reports. Each time the Conveyor has shifted gears, it has caused significant global temperature changes within decades, as well as large-scale wind shifts, dramatic fluctuations in atmospheric dust levels, glacial advances or retreats and other changes over many regions of the Earth, he said.

The Conveyor "is the Achilles heel of the climate system," Broecker wrote in Science. "The record ... indicates that this current has not run steadily, but jumped from one mode of operation to another. The changes in climate associated with these jumps have now been shown to be large, abrupt and global."

The salinity of the water plays an important role in this circulation. The water with higher salt concentration sinks to the bottom thus creating a current. Look on the map where the major water sinks are: close to the arctic poles where ocean water with high salt concentration meets the ocean water with very low salt concentration. This balance can be influenced by melting of the polar caps that could introduce more fresh water into the system and could disturb or even stop the Conveyor flow.

http://www.columbia.edu/cu/record/23/11/13.html
http://earth.usc.edu/~stott/Catalina/Deepwater.html
http://earth.usc.edu/%7Egeol150/variabi ... ocean.html
http://www.grida.no/climate/vital/32.htm
http://www.davidsuzuki.org/Climate_Chan ... nveyor.asp
http://www.aoml.noaa.gov/phod/acvp/gray.htm

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Post by **garyb** » Fri Sep 24, 2004 12:38 pm

'The Conveyor "is the Achilles heel of the climate system," Broecker wrote in Science.'

achilles heel! as though the earth has a problem with it!

the human input is significant. it is always significant.(see "ozone layer")

Basic Pitch · Post by **Basic Pitch** » Sun Sep 26, 2004 8:04 am

Welp,

Storm passed we survived once again, though this time my landscaping is truelly destroyed beyond recognition lol. For some reason this storm was ALOT harded and my city got pounded at one point, the damage atleast in my neighborhood does not look as bad as the last storm, maybe everything that could come down already did during Frances?

Anyways, one amazing feat is that we had power though the entire storm and still currently, I am praying it stays that way, I can deal with the damaged things but once you lose the little things like air conditioning and a cold refridgerator, then all bets are off hehe.

Anyways, just poping in, I did recieve a call earlier from my wifes friend who still has power aswell and said the roads were extremyly scary, lets hope we do not see anything like this set of hurricanes again for a longggggg time.

Ill prob post new pics from this storm in a day or so once we get out and see what took place.

PS. Ken, I got your email, ill send ya some info asap

Thanks for the good wishes all!

Cheers!

nprime · Post by **nprime** » Sun Sep 26, 2004 11:27 am

On 2004-09-24 09:56, Counterparts wrote:

The one global change we have truly accelerated IMO is the change to the ozone layer. Especially crazy, irresponsible projects such as the HARP project! What was that about?

"Can we build a gun to blast a hole in the ozone layer?"

"Yup, we can!"

Madness.

Back on subject...best of luck for the next 'wave', BP. You may need to invest in mechanically deployable shutters... :-/

Royston

It's HAARP, two "A"'s.

It' the most srewed up thing I have read about in a long time.

"Angels Don't Play This HAARP" is the book to read.

R

nprime · Post by **nprime** » Sun Sep 26, 2004 11:29 am

Glad to hear everything is OK for you Basic Pitch!

R

Post by **garyb** » Sun Sep 26, 2004 1:02 pm

glad for all you floridians that all that seems to be over!

bassdude · Post by **bassdude** » Sun Sep 26, 2004 7:09 pm

Hopefully that truly is the end of it. Unbelievable!

astroman · Post by **astroman** » Sun Sep 26, 2004 9:12 pm

yeah, I saw it on TV

... and let's not forget what happens if houses aren't as solid as Basic's and the sourrounding isn't flat as a pancake

cheers, Tom

Counterparts · Post by **Counterparts** » Mon Sep 27, 2004 5:02 am

nprime wrote:

It's HAARP, two "A"'s.

Both are correct

High Altitude Research Program (HARP)
High Frequency Active Auroral Research Program (HAARP)

Both are pretty barking!

edit: perhaps it should be 'HFAARP'

Royston

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BingoTheClowno · Post by **BingoTheClowno** » Mon Sep 27, 2004 11:19 am

Images of destruction (from Yahoo):