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I'm busy on many things lately, this is one of them...
This is a snippet from a songs ref, which I like you comment. How does it sound on your speakers?
I spend quite a long time disensemble all elements and collect/glue them together again. Also it's very crowded in there : 4 electric guitars, 1 12 string acustic, 4 cellos, TamTam, claps, 4 layered choir and lead. Also note there is no basguitar on this, it's all played by the Cello, so don't look for it in the mix.
USES: STM2448, alot vincos, SPL TransientDesigner (on tamtam and clap), STM 4080L, CompressorX and EQs. Mastered in UAD and Optimaster. Uses also Powercore Classicverb, and UAD compressors and EQs. Real tape echo on the lead.
All tracks are routed to STM 2448 from Nuendo. Man, the mixing in scope has much more air than I can get from internal Nuendo busses.
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<font size=-1>[ This Message was edited by: Thalamus on 2004-08-23 22:38 ]</font>
Please comment this mix...
well, since you asked...
It's thin, top endy, no real mids or lower mids. The bass isn't very apparent either, that's partly due to instrumentation, but if there's four cellos there I can't hear them very well. They should expel large amounts of lower mid energy and I just can't hear it.
I'd suspect that you have a monitoring problem in your studio if this sounds great there.
How large is the room that you mix in? There may be frequency anomalies in your room that are causing you to hear exagerated mid and low mid frequncies. If it's a smaller room there would also be issues with not being able to hear the bass frequencies in context.
Or your monitors are really dull in the top end and you are compensating. What do you use?
Cellos aren't kik drums, but they have a body that isn't in this mix as I hear it. Even low E's on guitars (around 80 Hz)have more low end than I can hear in this mix. I wonder if it's a phase issue?
It's just all to crisp, as though every instrument was recorded with the same EQ or microphone that simply cut every thing below 500-600 Hz.
With all those instruments it's a tough mix, but I would suggest more extreme panning of the individual instruments, when you have four guitars two of them should be just about hard panned left and right (same goes for the cellos). also pick a frequency slot for each instrument, they can't all have high-end.
The vocals sound very good though.
I think there is alot of potential here, but you have to address whatever is making you mix the top-end so hot. Could it be monitoring at too high volumes? That burns out your ears top end pretty quickly. Check mixes for balance at very low levels as well, this really shows up any mix anomalies.
That's my opinion.
R
It's thin, top endy, no real mids or lower mids. The bass isn't very apparent either, that's partly due to instrumentation, but if there's four cellos there I can't hear them very well. They should expel large amounts of lower mid energy and I just can't hear it.
I'd suspect that you have a monitoring problem in your studio if this sounds great there.
How large is the room that you mix in? There may be frequency anomalies in your room that are causing you to hear exagerated mid and low mid frequncies. If it's a smaller room there would also be issues with not being able to hear the bass frequencies in context.
Or your monitors are really dull in the top end and you are compensating. What do you use?
Cellos aren't kik drums, but they have a body that isn't in this mix as I hear it. Even low E's on guitars (around 80 Hz)have more low end than I can hear in this mix. I wonder if it's a phase issue?
It's just all to crisp, as though every instrument was recorded with the same EQ or microphone that simply cut every thing below 500-600 Hz.
With all those instruments it's a tough mix, but I would suggest more extreme panning of the individual instruments, when you have four guitars two of them should be just about hard panned left and right (same goes for the cellos). also pick a frequency slot for each instrument, they can't all have high-end.
The vocals sound very good though.
I think there is alot of potential here, but you have to address whatever is making you mix the top-end so hot. Could it be monitoring at too high volumes? That burns out your ears top end pretty quickly. Check mixes for balance at very low levels as well, this really shows up any mix anomalies.
That's my opinion.
R
Yes this mix sounds a bit bright. It's not really harsh, but it sounds like the spectrum could be shifted a little more towards the bass end. I guess with this style of music though, it is more suited to sound bright than warm or bass heavy. I can't tell you any problematic frequencies or anything, right now the computer I'm at has some crappy AltecLansing multimedia speakers....
Anyway, keep up your good work, you are probably my favorite producer from planetz! Especially your trip hop really grabs my attention.
Anyway, keep up your good work, you are probably my favorite producer from planetz! Especially your trip hop really grabs my attention.
definitely not harsh.
I should clarify that I was talking about slight deficiencies, not grossly bad eq.
...you did invite my opinion, and that's all it is, my opinion. I would love to hear the mix the way you are hearing it in your own studio, my speakers have their faults too.
as bbrian says, the overall feel is somwhat appropriate with the style of music, but I think of Loreena McKennit's stuff and it still has "warmth" for lack of a better word.
I certainly didn't mean to imply that I thought it should have a big bottom.
I can't wait to hear the final product, I like the music!
R
I should clarify that I was talking about slight deficiencies, not grossly bad eq.
...you did invite my opinion, and that's all it is, my opinion. I would love to hear the mix the way you are hearing it in your own studio, my speakers have their faults too.
as bbrian says, the overall feel is somwhat appropriate with the style of music, but I think of Loreena McKennit's stuff and it still has "warmth" for lack of a better word.
I certainly didn't mean to imply that I thought it should have a big bottom.
I can't wait to hear the final product, I like the music!
R
Sounds like a great track, my comment on the mix:
I have Quad 11 hi fi speakers, which have very good bass, but are quite small (my studio is only 2 metres in all directions!) and some Missions for checking. There is definately something weird (missing) about the mid/bass on this track, have a look with a spectrum analyser. It is like it has been actively eq'd out, rather than isn't there. Also the stereo mix is a bit one sided.
Good luck with the tweaks, but you might have to look at individual tracks within it. I mix all individual tracks through Vinco then into the STM mixer, and don't use much eq, the original sounds should have the frequencies you want (ie, bass sounds should be bassy, etc). I have been using the Master-D beta 1.7 mastering compressor, which is very good for slight final tweaking (generally, a slight bass and top increase, and a bit of compression).
I have the Waves processors but for mixdown mastering (rather than after recording) the free Master-D is very good.
But looking at your software list, perhaps there is too much Optimaster or eq in there? So over-boosting the top end for some reason (speakers, room, ears etc etc - you know all this stuff I am sure).
But check the original samples or sounds first! Have fun...
<font size=-1>[ This Message was edited by: geoffd99 on 2004-08-26 06:53 ]</font>
I have Quad 11 hi fi speakers, which have very good bass, but are quite small (my studio is only 2 metres in all directions!) and some Missions for checking. There is definately something weird (missing) about the mid/bass on this track, have a look with a spectrum analyser. It is like it has been actively eq'd out, rather than isn't there. Also the stereo mix is a bit one sided.
Good luck with the tweaks, but you might have to look at individual tracks within it. I mix all individual tracks through Vinco then into the STM mixer, and don't use much eq, the original sounds should have the frequencies you want (ie, bass sounds should be bassy, etc). I have been using the Master-D beta 1.7 mastering compressor, which is very good for slight final tweaking (generally, a slight bass and top increase, and a bit of compression).
I have the Waves processors but for mixdown mastering (rather than after recording) the free Master-D is very good.
But looking at your software list, perhaps there is too much Optimaster or eq in there? So over-boosting the top end for some reason (speakers, room, ears etc etc - you know all this stuff I am sure).
But check the original samples or sounds first! Have fun...
<font size=-1>[ This Message was edited by: geoffd99 on 2004-08-26 06:53 ]</font>
here, if i put winamp 60 hz + 6 db (half up) + my hifi bass pot at the max (around 90hz, +3/4 db, large asymetric band), then it sounds really cool and the trebles are perfect. I have noticed there's nothing "under 30 hz" (which explain the loss in basses and pro eminence of treble. With more bass, the trebles are nice).
