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nprime · Post by **nprime** » Fri Aug 13, 2004 1:32 pm

This file has expired and is no longer available here. The owner of the topic can re-upload the file, or post a link to an off-site file. <a name="planetz-tag"></a>Genre: I have no idea <a name="planetz-tag"></a>Uses: Pulsar Effects,Pulsar Mixers copyright © Rod Nattrass 2004 _____________________________________ Here's a new one, fresh off the press.

Drums are from Acid, but high-hat played live.

Organ is processed thru Scope 4 pole filter with a square wave modulation.

All guitar effects are Scope. Usually I combine a number of FX such as the overdrive, distortion, resonator, PEQ4 and limiter, not necessarily in that order, and sometimes twice in a patch.

I welcome your criticisms and comments.

R

Post by **hubird** » Fri Aug 13, 2004 9:32 pm

nprime · Post by **nprime** » Sat Aug 14, 2004 11:07 am

Hubird that is an interesting icon...Does that mean that the song beat you up?

R

Post by **hubird** » Sat Aug 14, 2004 5:11 pm

hehe...with some spliff in my head I tend to believe things are as clear as for me on the moment

It says: this stuff is pleasently disturbed, or - weird, or wicket...in dutch they say 'prettig gestoord', I dunno the right translation.
So now tell me, doesn't express that smilie exactly that?
OK, listening again it's not so-o weird, it's very well done in fact

One thing then: I would try another type of drumsound, less rock, more triphop-dance, it could give the guitar a more spacy environment, by the contrast

Just taste I guess

nprime · Post by **nprime** » Sat Aug 14, 2004 7:44 pm

oh i think weird is fair.

On headphones it makes you float away. also it loops pretty well so you can just get lost in it.

R

nprime · Post by **nprime** » Sat Aug 14, 2004 7:47 pm

i will try your drum suggestion out, thanks for the feedback.

I am so inept that i do not know how to put smilies on a post, i am the anti hubird...

R

AudioIrony · Post by **AudioIrony** » Sat Aug 14, 2004 9:53 pm

I loved this and thought the guitar work was wonderful stuff.
I agree with Hubird about maybe trying a different drum track as an experiment - but the track holds up well as it is.

well done

braincell · Post by **braincell** » Sat Aug 14, 2004 11:32 pm

Interesting, It sounds live but the drums do not. The drum pattern sounds tribal but it is too much of the same loop and the sound of it is very normal. It has a very drum machine factory preset sound to it which to me does not mix well with the guitar. If you could could perform this with a live drummer it would sound much better.

nprime · Post by **nprime** » Sun Aug 15, 2004 2:53 am

yeah, a real drummer...

that would be nice.

and a room and the mic's to record the drummer.

sigh...

nprime · Post by **nprime** » Sun Aug 15, 2004 11:22 am

BTW if anyone wants to take a whack at coming up with a better drum track, the song is at 90 BPM.

Keep the loops under 16 bars and I can download the wave files and try them and post the results!

R

braincell · Post by **braincell** » Sun Aug 15, 2004 9:52 pm

I actually used a real drummer playing my midi drum pads with foot pedal and got great results. The nice thing is you can swap the sounds later at your leasure.

Counterparts · Post by **Counterparts** » Mon Aug 16, 2004 5:03 am

I think that some bass would be good to tie it together and ground it. Not necesasrily all the time...perhaps just as a juxtaposition to the floaty sound of the track as it is. Ground the track occasionally and then allow it to expand and float away again...

Another thought I had was that perhaps the drums had a touch too much reverb on them (the toms are a little lost in the mix).

Overall, a very enjoyable and relaxing track to listen to! I am no longer in the office...

Royston

nprime · Post by **nprime** » Mon Aug 16, 2004 11:00 am

That's another curse of using the ACID drums, the reverb was already there.

Actually, despite my earlier comment, I do have a drum set, and I can beg borrow and rent the microphones, I just need the human (or subhuman, as the jokes all seem to imply) to play them...My former drummer lives a three hour ferry ride away, so I don't see him often.

R

nprime · Post by **nprime** » Mon Aug 16, 2004 11:10 am

On 2004-08-16 06:03, Counterparts wrote:
I think that some bass would be good to tie it together and ground it. Not necesasrily all the time...perhaps just as a juxtaposition to the floaty sound of the track as it is. Ground the track occasionally and then allow it to expand and float away again...

I agree with everything you have to say and would like to subscribe to your newsletter...

That is all excellent advice. I have to admit that normally I would have reached for the bass next, but I somehow thought that I should not do it because it was the typical thing to do next. Silly musician. However your advice of having it come and go just to build key energy ppoints in the song is absolutely the right way to treat it.

Just out of interest what kind of speakers do you use for monitoring?

R

Counterparts · Post by **Counterparts** » Mon Aug 16, 2004 11:15 am

nprime wrote:

I agree with everything you have to say and would like to subscribe to your newsletter...

*goes slowly red*

Just out of interest what kind of speakers do you use for monitoring?

Recently switched to using my Bowers & Wilkins HiFi speakers, banishing my Spirit 4Ps to the kichen. At work (such as I am now), I use a cheap & nasty pair of "stick em in yer lugholes" headphones

Royston

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Liquid EDGE · Post by **Liquid EDGE** » Mon Aug 16, 2004 2:22 pm

Hi ..

Like it.. Does the job nicely.. can imageine getting nicely stoned and nodding away to this. i say can imagine as i don't smoke the weed any more, well once a month or so now, rather than 24/7.

just wondering but has this been mastered yet?

also, just my taste but it would be nice if the drums were more chunky/crunchy.

with that said it's always easy to maybe this, maybe that on a finnished tune. coming up with the initial idea is wot can be so hard/ where the talent is.

Wicked musicanship.

Keep Rollin'

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nprime · Post by **nprime** » Mon Aug 16, 2004 2:48 pm

Mastered? No, not really, I just kind of threw it out there for opinions.

No doubt I will seek to improve the drums as the general consensus seems to be that they are the weak link.

I want to thank everyone again for the constructive feedback and nice comments! This is what a forum should do.

R

nprime · Post by **nprime** » Mon Aug 16, 2004 6:04 pm

On 2004-08-14 18:11, hubird wrote:

One thing then: I would try another type of drumsound, less rock, more triphop-dance, it could give the guitar a more spacy environment, by the contrast
Just taste I guess

I have been trying to be cool and act like I know what this means, but I have to admit my ignorance regarding today's current music catergories. What would be a good thing for me to listen to to learn more about trip-hop? does portishead fit in that catergory? I've heard a few of their things, and really liked it, but I don't own any.

Have any loops I could try?

R

Basic Pitch · Post by **Basic Pitch** » Mon Aug 16, 2004 6:52 pm

Heya Nprime,

I liked this a bunch, has a great overall feel and sound, the suby synth that holds the melody could use some bottom end or as suggested a bass layer.

Great feeling though and the sound is crisp and clean, the drums dont bother me, though they do sound like a loop from POD's youth of a nation

All in all a great track, I look forward to hearing more.

Cheers!

Post by **hubird** » Mon Aug 16, 2004 7:01 pm

Hi Nprime, I guess you don't have any idea how much sample cd's with outstanding drumloops are out there?

Hundreds, if not thausends...
Even you have sample cd's with so called construction kits, offering long varying drumtracks followed by the loose sounds used in it.
(Spectrasonics calls this Groove Controll, check http://www.spectrasonics.net/ )

A classic one is Zero G's 'X-static Goldmine' 1-5, more rough are Black2Black, XX-Large Xtreme, etc., but you can find every (litteraly) style you like, from latin to drum'nBass, and from hiphop to clubmusic, plus all ethnic, jazz, country, hardrock, and probably Eskimo music

In your case I would start with a nice crispy breakbeat loop, which fits the elements you have right now, so the bass and snare patterns etc. should be perfect from start.
The way thát sounds together will open your musical brain immediately

Here some cd titles, in audio and/or Akai format:

- EuroTech
- X-Static Goldmine #1
- Percussion Grooves
- FX Zone Masterbits
- LoFi Junkiez
- Jungle Frenzy Vol1
- Zero G Ambient1
- Zero G Ambient2
- Voodoo Elements,
- Beats with an Edge,
- Spectacular Sound FX,
- House Party Vol1 en 2
- Meditation Zone)
- New Beat Transmission
- SGSounds
- Technophobia
- LA Riot 1
- LA Riot 2
- LA Riot 3
- Expert Beats
- Lucas Film Animal FX
- Jungle Breakbeats
- Groovy Breaks and Rithms
- Shaun Lee Beats
- House & Garage club beats
- Giga Sampler Audio
- Liquid Grooves part. A
- Mixed-Fi Pads
- Trancefusion
- Crowd and People Sounds
- Jungle Warfare 2
- Strictly 12#,
- USB Atmosphere
- Distorted Reality 2
- Jungle Frenzy 2
- Method of Mayhem
- Unknown Drum 'n Bass
- X-Files of House
- Asylum Vol3
- Chemical Beats
- D & B Resonance
- Jungle Warfare 3
- Loopzilla
- Ontology D& B
- Ontology House
- Black 2 Black Vol4 cd2
-Killer Vocals
- Make More D 'n B
- Freaky Jazzy Funky disk3
- Mega Tone HouseBomp 2
- New Age Vocals
- Pitbull Jungle
- Skip to my loops
- X-Files of Jungle
- Black 2 Black
- Boesendorfer Loud
- Bump in the Night
- Funky
- X-Static Goldmine #5
- XX-Large Xtreme
- Movie & Atmos
- Global Transmission/ XXL Xtreme Synth
- Bump in the Night
- Alien Guitars
- Asylum
- DJ Food #1
DJ Food #3
- LA Hardcore / Meditation Zone / VCM Synths
- Robots & Computers
- Skinned Giga Pack / ARP2500 / Phat Beats-
- Masterbits Sample CD 5- 00
- Bill Laswel
- Synclavier Orchestra
- Funky Drums From Hell (Roland)
- Steve Glaedell
- Symphonic Adventures
- Hitsound CD Percussion (Roland)
- Foundations
- Distortion of Usefull Noise
- The X-Files of House & Techno
- Breaks from the Nu School

You'll have to search the net, this could be a start:
http://www.timespace.com/
http://www.bestservice.de/

cheerz

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