Horrible Sound + Computer Freeze

Post by **Guest** » Tue Jun 29, 2004 2:47 pm

Hello,

I have a big problem with my Creamware Powersampler II soundcard, or atleast I think it's the soundcards fault.

When I'm in Cubase SX2 and using VST-softsynths does it pretty immediately happend that the sound "locks" itself and Cubase is crashing.

When the sound locks itself it sounds almost like someone is sawing with a chainsaw in my speakers.
The sound doesn't go away until I reboot Scope Fusion.

When I'm in Propellerheads Reason does the same thing happend except that the whole computer freeze itself, I can't even move the mousepointer.

It seems to me that this problem may have to do something with MIDI since in Cubase it doesn't happend until I'm sending midi from the Sequenser to the VST-Synts or I'm playing on my midikeyboard...
It's like when I'm only using 1/8 notes it's all ok, but then it goes to like 1/16, 1/32 it just freaks out.

But in "Propellerheads Reason" my computer NEVER crashes unless I play on my midikeyboard.
I can tweak and have fun and have a shitload of reverbs, synths and stuff going on in Reason but it doesn't crash until I play on the midikeyboard.
Maby reasons sequenser doesn't send MIDI from itself to the synths, and that's why it doesn't crash like Cubase?

My computer:

CPU: Pentium4 3.2GHz 800Mhz, 512kb, Socket 478 (no prescot)

Motherboard: ASUS P4C800EDeluxe 875i875/SATA/Raid/LAN/FW" motherboard.

Memory: 2* Samsung MK8765 512Mb PC3200/DDR400 DDR 184pin 400MHz

Graphic: Matrox Millennium P75064MB

OS: Windows XP Professional Version 2002 Service Pack1 [english]

Creamware DSP-board is now on IRQ 11, it was on IRQ23 before I got the tip from Creamware support to move from ACPI to standard mode in Windows.

If you have any idea what can be wrong, please reply to this topic - I'm on vacation now and I'm really craving for producing music.

Best Regards
Alexander Wennberg
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[ This Message was edited by: AlexW on 2004-07-10 12:38 ]

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BingoTheClowno · Post by **BingoTheClowno** » Tue Jun 29, 2004 2:58 pm

Sounds like your keyboard is sending MIDI clock messages.

Has your board ever worked?

Post by **Guest** » Tue Jun 29, 2004 3:05 pm

On 2004-06-29 15:58, BingoTheClowno wrote:
Sounds like your keyboard is sending MIDI clock messages.

Has your board ever worked?

It's a brand new computer so it's the first problem I've had on it.
But the midi worked on my last computer, a Dell 1.8GHZ computer... I used my Creamware Powersampler II there...

Just one thing... these features ARE enabled in my BIOS.
Should this two features be enabled?

"ACPI APIC SUPPORT"

"BIOS-->AML ACPI table"

BingoTheClowno · Post by **BingoTheClowno** » Tue Jun 29, 2004 3:30 pm

If you change from ACPI to Standard Mode in the BIOS, you need to update the driver in Windows too (Device Manager->Computer).

What version of CW software are you running?

Also, is your board sharing the interrupt with another board (type "msinfo32" in the Run box, then go to hardware->IRQs)?

Post by **Guest** » Tue Jun 29, 2004 4:09 pm

On 2004-06-29 16:30, BingoTheClowno wrote:
If you change from ACPI to Standard Mode in the BIOS, you need to update the driver in Windows too (Device Manager->Computer).

What version of CW software are you running?

Also, is your board sharing the interrupt with another board (type "msinfo32" in the Run box, then go to hardware->IRQs)?

I havn't changed the ACPI thing in BIOS*, just in Windows.
The ACPI _BIOS_ thing I wrote above are enabled, should I disable them both?
You see I'm no hardcore-BIOS pro

With CW software, do you mean Creamware Software? I'm using Scope Fusion 3.1b, I've also tried 4.0, but the problem remains...

Yes the DSP-board is sharing IRQ11 with:

VIA OHCI Complaint IEE 1394 Host Controller

Intel(R) 82801EB USB Universal Host Controller - 24DD

Intel(R) 82801EB USB2 Enhanched Host Controller - 24DD

* =
These features ARE enabled in BIOS:

"ACPI APIC SUPPORT"
"BIOS-->AML ACPI table"

[ This Message was edited by: AlexW on 2004-06-29 17:14 ]

BingoTheClowno · Post by **BingoTheClowno** » Tue Jun 29, 2004 4:16 pm

Disable ACPI in BIOS too.
I don't know what this "BIOS-->AML ACPI table" is, do you have the motherboard manual? You can probably find it on the internet.

Do you use other USB devices while using the Creamware card? You should find a better PCI slot for your card.

[ This Message was edited by: BingoTheClowno on 2004-06-29 17:19 ]

Post by **Guest** » Sun Jul 04, 2004 5:36 pm

Hi Bingo,

I turned off the other ACPI thingy, I switched PCI slot tought I got the same IRQ but now it seems to work...
I have played around and litterly banged the shit out of my midikeyboard and it havn't freezed yet.
Just wanna give you my best regards for your help, I'm very greatful!

I'll post here again if it messes up.

Thank you so much!

Best Regards
Alexander

AndreD · Post by **AndreD** » Mon Jul 05, 2004 7:33 am

..sounds like your system is getting too hot!!
(the dsps)

Post by **Guest** » Mon Jul 05, 2004 9:47 am

Can I somehow make the DSP's to work less?

I'm getting so pissed 'cause last night it all worked like a charm after I switched PCI slot and reinstalled Scope Fusion, but now today it's all messed up again...

Do you think it all can work if i install windows 2000?

[ This Message was edited by: AlexW on 2004-07-09 11:40 ]

Post by **garyb** » Mon Jul 05, 2004 12:07 pm

if the problem is heat, you can add a fan and make sure that there are no airflow restrictions around the card. xp will work great! that's not the problem. you definitely have some kind of computewr issue and unless the card is broken(doubtful) or overheated(easily remedied), you just need to set up the machine properly(maybe start over). are you SURE that there are no irq conflicts and that there are no other applications that can cause problems running in the backround like antivirus or.....?

Post by **Guest** » Mon Jul 05, 2004 12:37 pm

On 2004-07-05 13:07, garyb wrote:
if the problem is heat, you can add a fan and make sure that there are no airflow restrictions around the card. xp will work great! that's not the problem. you definitely have some kind of computewr issue and unless the card is broken(doubtful) or overheated(easily remedied), you just need to set up the machine properly(maybe start over). are you SURE that there are no irq conflicts and that there are no other applications that can cause problems running in the backround like antivirus or.....?

I'm really not 100% sure about anything if I have to be honest... I've seen many topics here on Planet Z where people sayin' that their Asus motherboard is messing up their scope system, it sounds very possible.
It doesn't sound that dumb to reinstall the OS and everything again... And this time change the PCI so I'll get another IRQ.
It's possible that the things on the same IRQ have problems with eachother.

Can there be any configuration in scope that make this problem?

Is the DSP meter for mesuring how much the DSP's work?
I had it open the last time the system crashed, and I didn't even move before, I really doubt that 1 VST-synth can make this mess all the time.
And I don't think Reason is using DSP power?

Another thing in Scope Settings -> Routing -> Auto Routing, should I choose something specific there?

[ This Message was edited by: AlexW on 2004-07-05 13:38 ]

AndreD · Post by **AndreD** » Mon Jul 05, 2004 3:27 pm

check for defect ram too!
http://www.memtest86.com/

AndreD · Post by **AndreD** » Mon Jul 05, 2004 3:33 pm

maybe, this could be the "midi-hardware-in with hyperthreading" bug!?
to test this, run your setup WITHOUT connecting the ps hardware midi in / out.
is your keyboard sending active send messages?

best,
andre

Post by **Guest** » Tue Jul 06, 2004 3:27 pm

I've tried without the MIDI routed in Scope Fusion, but the problem remains.
I'll try to disconnect them in my Powersampler II...

How can I check if my keyboard is sending "active send messages"?

Come to think about it, I have exactly the same problem as this dude had:
http://www.planetz.com/forums/viewtopic ... =1&start=0

I added him to ICQ to get an explenation to all (he's also Swedish), I hope he jumps online sometime

But if I can read right from what he's sayin' in his topic, I probably need a midiinterface...

[ This Message was edited by: AlexW on 2004-07-06 16:29 ]

Post by **Guest** » Wed Jul 07, 2004 11:02 am

On 2004-07-05 16:33, AndreD wrote:
maybe, this could be the "midi-hardware-in with hyperthreading" bug!?
to test this, run your setup WITHOUT connecting the ps hardware midi in / out.
is your keyboard sending active send messages?

best,
andre

I've done that now, but the problem remains

BingoTheClowno · Post by **BingoTheClowno** » Wed Jul 07, 2004 11:19 am

On 2004-07-05 10:47, AlexW wrote:
Can I somehow make the DSP's to work less?

You can probably reduce the sample rate to 32KHz.

What you should try is to load a clean project with just basic ins and outs and work your way up by adding one component at the time and testing if a component is crashing your system. Just make sure that your keyboard is not set as the Master keyboard. When you use a synth, does the MIDI clock keep flashing?