The sound demos are up!

petal · Post by **petal** » Wed Jun 23, 2004 10:38 pm

Yes, I do understand the ground rules of marketing, but these guys (CW) are making something special and their demos aren't showing that at all to the young upcomming electronic artists , and if CW are ever going to succeed, they have to reach this group of pioneers.

[ This Message was edited by: petal on 2004-06-23 23:59 ]

valis · Post by **valis** » Thu Jun 24, 2004 2:57 am

Want to give Creamware some help with a proper demo? Write an incredible track, have it signed to a great label, get your manager to get you interviews in all the major rags and tell them how underrated you think Creamware is.

While I would have to agree with much or even most of what has been said about this topic, I think its also incredibly easy to criticise someone else for the job they're doing (or not doing). While my suggestion above may be a bit lofty and unlikely to happen to most of us, its not an unreasonable thing to have happen and its certainly something at least a few people can do.

Also, from what I know about the SCOPE development platform, its actually quite a capable tool for creating the UI. I personally think that the problem is they need more designers experimenting with the tools, not just their in-house guy. Most SCOPE/DP owners are people who seem more focused on the dsp side (which is good) so I can hardly fault them for not having 10 years of design experience. I should add that there are still some good GUI's in our platforum (the most recent Timeworks update for the Plate reverb device) but I still think more designers playing around with the tools will change things quite a bit. Photoshop didn't become an industry standard graphic design tool by having only 1 Adobe employee who was a graphic artist trying ideas out.

Anyone else waiting for Creamware to finish the NDA for the devkit?

King of Snake · Post by **King of Snake** » Thu Jun 24, 2004 6:35 am

well, if any developers are interested I'd be more than happy to work on designing interfaces

I'm not terribly experienced but I may have more "design common-sense" than the average DSP programmer

King of Snake · Post by **King of Snake** » Thu Jun 24, 2004 6:41 am

On 2004-06-24 03:57, valis wrote:
Want to give Creamware some help with a proper demo? Write an incredible track, have it signed to a great label, get your manager to get you interviews in all the major rags and tell them how underrated you think Creamware is.

that's a nice idea but we already made them a whole bunch of demo's. It's just that they aren't doing anything with them.
If anything, the situation is now worse than before (with all the old demo's having disappeared as well)

While I would have to agree with much or even most of what has been said about this topic, I think its also incredibly easy to criticise someone else for the job they're doing (or not doing). While my suggestion above may be a bit lofty and unlikely to happen to most of us, its not an unreasonable thing to have happen and its certainly something at least a few people can do.

I just find it slightly painful to see CWA continuously missing obvious chances to provide a better overall picture of their product to potential customers. I understand they are understaffed and overworked, but putting up some sounddemo's up on a few webpages really doesn't take more than an hour, at most. Same with all the great devices being released without even getting so much as a mention on the CWA site.

But I'm not all negative at all. They did good with the interviews and stuff like that. It just seems like it's dead in the water already.

braincell · Post by **braincell** » Sat Jun 26, 2004 8:46 pm

Nice try though. I firmly think that being negative is the only way to bring about change, however it often falls on deaf ears.

Spirit · Post by **Spirit** » Sat Jun 26, 2004 11:07 pm

On 2004-06-23 23:38, petal wrote:
Yes, I do understand the ground rules of marketing, but these guys (CW) are making something special and their demos aren't showing that at all to the young upcomming electronic artists , and if CW are ever going to succeed, they have to reach this group of pioneers.

[ This Message was edited by: petal on 2004-06-23 23:59 ]

Petal, it looks like it's up to you to follow through. How are those demos coming along ?

But seriously, perhaps you're making a bit too much of this "talented young muso" thing. Most of those kids are using cracked native apps arn't they ?

King of Snake · Post by **King of Snake** » Sun Jun 27, 2004 8:20 am

On 2004-06-26 21:46, braincell wrote:
Nice try though. I firmly think that being negative is the only way to bring about change, however it often falls on deaf ears.

I believe being negative is the one way to ensure no change at all. Of course when something is wrong (in your eyes) you should be able to express that, but if one were really to bring about a fundamental change, it can only be done with an overall positive attitude.
Actually this is quite a basic principle of inter-personal relationships. If you come to a person with a negative mindset, saying "you did this wrong! You should do it like this!", this person would automatically go into "defence mode". Even if you were to convince him he's wrong, he would probably never admit it. A better way would be to say "what you did was good, but here, let me show you another way of doing it that may be even better". That way you're far more likely to bring about a change.

It's logical that being negative usually "falls on deaf ears". No one likes to be at the receiving end of a negative response! And if we are, we tend to go into defence mode ourselves and deny it.

kensuguro · Post by **kensuguro** » Sun Jun 27, 2004 9:21 am

things are starting to sound a bit tense here..

Anyhow, I do agree it's taking ages for CW to get the demos up there.. I mean, I'm starting to wonder what the heck those demos were for if they're not going to be used. But well, realistically thinking, they should be posted someday sooner or later.

Shayne White · Post by **Shayne White** » Tue Jun 29, 2004 12:26 am

Well, my feeling is that they didn't want to hand out free plugins to too many people, so they only picked just a few of the ones that were sent to them. But I'd be more than happy to give them any demos they want for free. I'd like to help them out (and I don't mind the publicity!). The demos they have up there right now do not show off the capabilities of the devices AT ALL (IMHO). I'm sorry if I'm offending anyone who spent time contributing, but that's how I feel.

Shayne

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nprime · Post by **nprime** » Sun Jul 04, 2004 11:32 am

Well, I guess we all better head on over to Shane's website for a lesson...I mean listen.

petal · Post by **petal** » Tue Jul 06, 2004 8:33 am

On 2004-06-27 00:07, Spirit wrote:

But seriously, perhaps you're making a bit too much of this "talented young muso" thing. Most of those kids are using cracked native apps arn't they ?

I was pretty impressed myself

But all though I might be over exagerrating the importance of the "talented young muso" a bit, I still find CW's demo-policy strange and the choice of demo-genre out-dated with many years, compared to the fact that CW is developing cutting edge quality electronic music-technology!? I honestly think that at least some of the demo's should reflect this in the choice of music-style. I always feel more tempted to buy something if it is presented to me in the right way, meaning if I actually like the music in it self and not just the quality of the sound.

They should invite some of the "talented young muso"'s to use their products for free over a period of time to see what will happen in the hands of those with the proper knowledge about whats going on in the new electronic genre's.

Oh, and about that demo - it's coming allright. I'm working as I write this

braincell · Post by **braincell** » Wed Jul 07, 2004 8:05 pm

We like excitement and tension. In a movie there is often an evil person and destruction.

A country such as Japan is made up of peaceful people. There is an emphasis on getting along. They have a saying "The nail that sticks up gets hammered down". I find Japanese music to be very bland and very boring. It is way too polished. I need something ugly in my music and in art. I don't want to see a bunch of photos of roses and kittens. DOES ANYONE UNDERSTAND THIS???

On 2004-06-27 09:20, King of Snake wrote:
On 2004-06-26 21:46, braincell wrote:
Nice try though. I firmly think that being negative is the only way to bring about change, however it often falls on deaf ears.
I believe being negative is the one way to ensure no change at all. Of course when something is wrong (in your eyes) you should be able to express that, but if one were really to bring about a fundamental change, it can only be done with an overall positive attitude.
Actually this is quite a basic principle of inter-personal relationships. If you come to a person with a negative mindset, saying "you did this wrong! You should do it like this!", this person would automatically go into "defence mode". Even if you were to convince him he's wrong, he would probably never admit it. A better way would be to say "what you did was good, but here, let me show you another way of doing it that may be even better". That way you're far more likely to bring about a change.

It's logical that being negative usually "falls on deaf ears". No one likes to be at the receiving end of a negative response! And if we are, we tend to go into defence mode ourselves and deny it.

petal · Post by **petal** » Wed Jul 07, 2004 8:48 pm

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On 2004-07-07 21:05, braincell wrote:

I find Japanese music to be very bland and very boring. It is way too polished. I need something ugly in my music and in art. I don't want to see a bunch of photos of roses and kittens. DOES ANYONE UNDERSTAND THIS???

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You should look up Merzbow then - It might be something you'll like.

Thomas

braincell · Post by **braincell** » Thu Jul 08, 2004 9:34 am

Thanks for the info. Great exception. It's good to know there is someone who is creating music there which is not at all comercial. I liked the art too.

scary808 · Post by **scary808** » Thu Jul 08, 2004 10:08 pm

I enjoy ugliness & beauty but Merzbow is just a hack, plain & simple...

King of Snake · Post by **King of Snake** » Fri Jul 09, 2004 4:44 am

On 2004-07-07 21:05, braincell wrote:
We like excitement and tension. In a movie there is often an evil person and destruction.

A country such as Japan is made up of peaceful people. There is an emphasis on getting along. They have a saying "The nail that sticks up gets hammered down". I find Japanese music to be very bland and very boring. It is way too polished. I need something ugly in my music and in art. I don't want to see a bunch of photos of roses and kittens. DOES ANYONE UNDERSTAND THIS???

I do, but I don't see how it relates to what I wrote earlier.

braincell · Post by **braincell** » Tue Jul 13, 2004 11:28 pm

Yes it is...

On 2004-07-08 23:08, scary808 wrote:
I enjoy ugliness & beauty but Merzbow is just a hack, plain & simple...