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braincell · Post by **braincell** » Tue Apr 20, 2004 7:22 am

I'm asking the people who flamed me about my posts regarding the high prices.

Ricardo · Post by **Ricardo** » Tue Apr 20, 2004 9:02 am

On 2004-04-20 07:13, krizrox wrote:
I have my eye on the 4896 mixer. Anyone else using it? I thought I had seen bugs in the 2448 mixer so I'm curious if the bigger version also has any bugs.

I use it all the time. No complaints here.

I think I'll finally get me the modular III. Is it worth getting?

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bosone · Post by **bosone** » Tue Apr 20, 2004 9:02 am

On 2004-04-20 07:30, braincell wrote:
When I was complaining that they need to lower the prices on everything a bunch of people jumped on me to say the price was right.

I still think they are a bit high though.

well, i agree with you!

since i can get a plugin for half price, i think i will buy the mix2448 (50 euro are a fair price). i think that the price are high because, a lot of VST plugins costs more or less the same. i can understand that the quality of VST plugins could be worst that CW ones, but remember that in order to have a CW plugin you must also have spend lot of money on a CW card... and althoght CW have a smaller number of users that companies ho produce VSTs, it doesn't have to worry about piracy
anyway, i don't want to start another price-war!

krizrox · Post by **krizrox** » Tue Apr 20, 2004 10:23 am

On 2004-04-20 08:22, braincell wrote:
I'm asking the people who flamed me about my posts regarding the high prices.

Six years ago I paid $2,000 for tripleDAT. You won't get any sympathy from me about CW prices

powerpulsarian · Post by **powerpulsarian** » Tue Apr 20, 2004 11:40 am

On 2004-04-20 07:30, braincell wrote:
When I was complaining that they need to lower the prices on everything a bunch of people jumped on me to say the price was right.

I would like to ask these people who were so angry about my comments why did CW lower the prices on everything if the prices were in line with the value?

"dropped drastically the prices"

Should read "drastically dropped"

I still think they are a bit high though.

Why can't I buy the 4896 without buying the 48 S????

The prices were always in line with other high-quality plugins, or at least very close. Now they are a better value.

Here are a some examples to show the competitiveness of Creamware prices:

1. NI B4 = $229 (B-2003 = $198)

2. NI Reaktor = $559 (Modular III = $98)

3. Sampletank L = $279, NI Kontakt = $449 (STS-5000 = $198)

The same is true for many high-quality plugin effects. Just take a look at the Waves Platinum bundle, which cost over $2,000, and this if for a bundle of native effects!

Yes, there are examples of lower cost VSTs, but most are not on the same level as far as quality and features.

Of course, I am happy to get lower prices and hopefully Creamware will sell more as a result. But I just don't think it is fair to say the Creamware plugins are over-priced in any way at all.

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Shayne White · Post by **Shayne White** » Tue Apr 20, 2004 11:55 am

On 2004-04-20 10:02, Ricardo wrote:

I think I'll finally get me the modular III. Is it worth getting?

Yes, it is. The PolyFilter is way, way better than any of the old filters, and the rotors and vector mixers are a must. The Prophet VS oscillators are fun too, plus the AM operators. And there's lots more besides.

Shayne

Basic Pitch · Post by **Basic Pitch** » Tue Apr 20, 2004 2:06 pm

You cant really compare Reaktor to Modular, I mean yes by principal they are the same type of system, but Reaktor does so much its in its own right its own entity, where as modular is a bit more along the lines of a traditonal modular synth.

The same goes for comparing STS5000 with NI Kontakt, Kontakt is worlds ahead of the STS series, though the STS series is much in the way of traditional hardware akai samplers including the ability to record in which kontakt cannot.

Now... Comparing NI B4 to B2003 if a perfect comparison, I think the CW version smokes the B4..

I myself am so torn between either B2003 or Sixstring since well, I alreads own everything else by CW

Now if Solaris is added to that 50% off list thats a whole other ball of wax

Cheers!

Shayne White · Post by **Shayne White** » Tue Apr 20, 2004 2:56 pm

Well, personally I just don't think Kontakt *IS* worlds ahead of STS-5000. I think the interface is really confusing, and I think its pitch-shifting/time-stretching algorithms are far inferior to STS's. And I hate the "box zone"-type interface that it and GigaStudio use. The STS "keyboard layering" interface (which Propellerhead also uses in NN-XT) is much easier IMO.

Just my 2c...

Shayne

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Basic Pitch · Post by **Basic Pitch** » Tue Apr 20, 2004 3:10 pm

Shane,

I have STS500 and while I do think its a great "traditional" sampler, the reason I personally feel that Kontakt is ahead of the STS is mostly due to things like, ease of use, intuitive gui, modular design, sonic shaping possibilites, there is just some pretty spectacular things that you can create with kontakt sound wise from original source material.

Now add in the new feature from 1.5x where you can have multizones for samples and shape loops to reverse and playback in the middle of loops and also be able to one shot portions of loops via midi keys, its just hard for me to buy into the STS, hence why I use kontakt

These days I seem to use the STS500 mostly for soundfonts and use Kontakt for soundscapes or sample playback.

Cheers!

powerpulsarian · Post by **powerpulsarian** » Tue Apr 20, 2004 3:22 pm

I agree that some of the items I listed cannot be compared directly to Creamware products, but overall it demonstrates that software synths and effects can be just as expensive, or even more expensive in many cases.

By the way, my personal thoughts on Reaktor is that, yes, there is a lot you can do with it, but the sound quality isn't anywhere near the Creamware Modular (and Reaktor is so much more expensive). It is hard to find a direct comparison for the Creamware modular because there really isn't anything that is very similar.

As a side note, the only software modular that I feel has the sound quality worth paying for is Applied Acoustics Tassman. And the physically modeling aspects allow for some very unique sounds.

Also, with STS-5000 and Kontakt... Here again, I realize they can't be compared directly (they have different features), but the price difference is huge. I also included SampleTank, since it is probablly a closer comparison, but again, it is hard to find a direct comparison of features. The bottomline is for what you get with STS-5000, it really is a good price.

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astroman · Post by **astroman** » Tue Apr 20, 2004 4:57 pm

On 2004-04-20 08:22, braincell wrote:
I'm asking the people who flamed me about my posts regarding the high prices.

well, I'm not shure if my justification of CW(A) prices apply for a 'flame' attribute, but for your pleasure:
yes, it was ok (for me it was good bang for the buck) and it still is

time has passed and time is money as well, it's a trivial experience that new stuff is more expensive, see Pentiums for example

As usual CWA has 'suggested' retail prices, but at one or the other shop you could always pickup something below that level.
I paid 198 € for Vectron, 133€ for Transient Designer, got Modular, Prisma, Lightwave and STS in the Propack for 198€ ...

The current reduction of prices is in a reasonable scale - as a funny example take Gigastudio:
I recently bought the 96 LE version plus the piano and the Connexant 500 GM lib together with a soundcard for 59 €, and obviously that entitles me for a $200 off GS-3

[add] normally I wouldn't consider a company with such practices a reliable partner at all. But Tascam's detailed concept makes a lot of sense (the rock-bottom price above is obviously related to old stuff during the Nemesis take-over).
Yet Tascam is enforcing protection in a way that makes CWA's hardware approch a piece of cake in comparison

cheers, Tom

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King of Snake · Post by **King of Snake** » Tue Apr 20, 2004 5:52 pm

On 2004-04-20 07:30, braincell wrote:
When I was complaining that they need to lower the prices on everything a bunch of people jumped on me to say the price was right.

I would like to ask these people who were so angry about my comments why did CW lower the prices on everything if the prices were in line with the value?

"dropped drastically the prices"

Should read "drastically dropped"

I still think they are a bit high though.

Why can't I buy the 4896 without buying the 48 S????

Braincell, you were right all along and we were fools to doubt you! you tha man!

(well, just because they lowered their prices now doesn't mean that the devices weren't value for money before. Times change, and the market changes too. CWA knows that after their little touch of insolvency, they need to put CWA on the map again as a competitive player. A price drop is a common marketing trick to accomplish this, in combination with things like rebranding the product line and redesigning your website. It's faulty logic to say that just because something is cheaper now, it was always too expensive before. It's called marketing)

[ This Message was edited by: King of Snake on 2004-04-20 18:52 ]

Post by **hubird** » Tue Apr 20, 2004 6:15 pm

my thoughts KoS.
Perfect way of thinking: clean, analytic, historical

You are heartly welcom to your right Braincell, but it just isn't that simple

And I always thought I got value for my mony

braincell · Post by **braincell** » Tue Apr 20, 2004 11:14 pm

You didn't read the fine print. The mixers are only available in package form and thus are not included in the 50% off discount. It really bothers me because a bigger mixer is all I really want right now.

On 2004-04-20 10:02, bosone wrote:
[well, i agree with you!
since i can get a plugin for half price, i think i will buy the mix2448 (50 euro are a fair price). i think that the price are high because, a lot of VST plugins costs more or less the same. i can understand that the quality of VST plugins could be worst that CW ones, but remember that in order to have a CW plugin you must also have spend lot of money on a CW card... and althoght CW have a smaller number of users that companies ho produce VSTs, it doesn't have to worry about piracy
anyway, i don't want to start another price-war!

Neutron · Post by **Neutron** » Wed Apr 21, 2004 12:17 am

Lol "pro tone" sounds like a casio emulator

Shayne White · Post by **Shayne White** » Wed Apr 21, 2004 12:41 am

"Tone Bank"?

Kenf · Post by **Kenf** » Wed Apr 21, 2004 2:13 am

Hi
I use Vaz Modular instead of Mod3 because it sounds pretty good and it works within Cubase seamlessly. I bought it about 3 years ago for £180.
http://www.software-technology.com/
Regards
Kenf

samplaire · Post by **samplaire** » Wed Apr 21, 2004 2:29 am

On 2004-04-21 01:17, Neutron wrote:
Lol "pro tone" sounds like a casio emulator

It's good you included brackets in the sentence. Otherwise we could think pro tone sound is like it was a casio emulator

Ricardo · Post by **Ricardo** » Wed Apr 21, 2004 10:28 am

Thanks Shayne,
Just checked out your website, Very nice design

Shayne White · Post by **Shayne White** » Wed Apr 21, 2004 2:55 pm

Thank you!

By the way, the old online shop has been modified...it now has the design of the new Web site, even if it's at the old address. I wonder if they'll just keep using that?