SFP corupting my saved files :( NEW INFO!)

Jngaelin · Post by **Jngaelin** » Fri Jan 23, 2004 4:29 am

On 2004-01-28 05:21, Counterparts wrote:
No idea what's going on, but does this happen only with files which you set SFP to save twice (2x backup copies as you said)?

Just a thought.

Royston

Just an update.
I have discovered that the statement above from Royston is a fact !!! Atleast on my system.

Iv'e been testing this out and when setting my "backup copies" to a number higher then 1, my saves become corupted. Just a warning to others who might try the same thing.

This problem might not affect everybody. I just wanted to tell just in case.

Regards Jngaelin.

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Hello everybody !

Im getting very sick of this !!!!

This happens to me a few times every month,
not often, but often enough to destroy my inspiration and spirit !

And it happend yesterday.
I had been sitting and working for almost 12 hours with two projects. As usuall i save all the time to make shure i don't loose anything if my DAW would crash suddenly (due to the famous the microsoft "crash insurance bug").

And i also have SFP set to make TWO backup copies so if the original files would be lost or corupted i whould actually have TWO working backupfiles....well you get the idea'.

So.
The last thing i did before closing my projects was to saving then closing project(s) and then closing SFP, then shut down my DAW.

Today when opening my projects they wont work.
The "screens" in SFP are "locked". And only when loading these two projects. =(
WHY !?!?

So i made a new project and loaded the same stuff i used in one of the other projects even the same samples and presets etc. etc. saved it a few times then closed project, then SFP, then DAW. Booted it up again opened SFP, then opened my new project and there was no problem. ?!?

But when trying to those two first projects they wont work.
Everything is "freezed". and OH, SFP "freezes" to. I actually have to do that old MICROSOFT manuever...you know the CTRL+ALT+DEL manuever. =(
And when trying the backup files that SFP makes...they are as corupted as the files i have saved myself.

Have anyone else this damn problem ?

I cannot have it like this. I lost some very important projects in 2003 due to this bug. And i have still not isolated the problem or device yet that could be causing this.

Help please.

Regards Jngaelin

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[ This Message was edited by: Jngaelin on 2004-03-30 08:34 ]

Jngaelin · Post by **Jngaelin** » Tue Jan 27, 2004 7:43 am

Is there anyone out there with some usefull inputs about my little problem ?

decimator · Post by **decimator** » Tue Jan 27, 2004 4:07 pm

I had this with the Modular especially those with samples, despite I didn't moved anything, just closed nicely, the next day : frozen also !!
At times I even take screen captures, in case ...

What did you have in your projects ?

Herr Voigt · Post by **Herr Voigt** » Tue Jan 27, 2004 6:23 pm

I'm afraid I can't help, but I feel with you ... Sometimes when I see that hours and days of creative work are lost because of a damned bug, I feel so empty.
Are your lost projects very full of DSP usage or did you have a "headroom"? Try your saving procedures with fast made and not DSP full test-projects. Maybe the question for your used devices is important ...

Post by **hubird** » Tue Jan 27, 2004 10:12 pm

you could try to see if someone else with the same apps as in your project can open that project.
The not found presets are neglectable, and you're sure if the files are corrupted indeed.
May be you get a bit wiser this way, good luck

Counterparts · Post by **Counterparts** » Wed Jan 28, 2004 5:21 am

No idea what's going on, but does this happen only with files which you set SFP to save twice (2x backup copies as you said)?

Just a thought.

Royston

Jngaelin · Post by **Jngaelin** » Wed Jan 28, 2004 8:14 am

decimator, Herr Voigt and hubird - I will surtainly try serious test with the devices im using. I should test stuff more often..but sometimes im just hoping someone else allready have a solution to the problem.

But i will surtainly test my system now and i'll report my progress here at planetZ.

Counterparts - I never thaught about this 2x save issue. I'll runs some test with this function, increasing - decreasing the amount of backups make some saves and se what happens.

Thank you all for your advices.

Regards Jngaelin

dehuszar · Post by **dehuszar** » Wed Jan 28, 2004 10:17 am

I always make incremental changes into new save files. I always name them <project>-00x-mm-dd-yy-<brief_description>.pro.

So a file would look like:

photovoltaic001-1-4-04-EffectsRoutingOnSaturn.pro

That way, if I have to go back through a stack of save files, I've got a save point at every major step forward in a track, and I know what I was doing and when it was done. It's more files to manage, but it's saved my bacon SOOOO many times. This can be useful with presets too.

Hope that helps,
Sam

Jngaelin · Post by **Jngaelin** » Wed Jan 28, 2004 12:57 pm

Thanx Sam !!

This is how im do my "saving" in the future!

(one never think about the easy ways in life..)
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valis · Post by **valis** » Thu Jan 29, 2004 2:50 pm

That's something I learned when doing 3d animation for broadcast, where you could often have 30 models, 100+ textures and thousands of frames of animation.

Save incrementally and save everything!

Now let's not talk about backup (it was a tape backup attached to the sgi origins and we used TAR UGH!)

Jngaelin · Post by **Jngaelin** » Thu Jan 29, 2004 8:19 pm

On 2004-01-29 14:50, valis wrote:
....Now let's not talk about backup (it was a tape backup attached to the sgi origins and we used TAR UGH!)

Counterparts · Post by **Counterparts** » Fri Jan 30, 2004 11:49 am

There's nowt wrong with tar!

We still tar & zip all our project hierarchies at work when backing them up. We switched recently from DVD RAM (not enough capacity) to USB2 connected 2.5" HDDs hanging off a Linux box, driven by shell scripts.

Royston

astroman · Post by **astroman** » Fri Jan 30, 2004 7:52 pm

Jngaelin, check the chapter 'Modules and Devices' of the SFP documentation (pdf)
It's not necessarily related to the strange things you experience, but worth considering.

Devices in a project are fixed references while Modules (obviously) are saved in their binary state during processing.
If something goes wrong with the latter, who knows what will be up ?

good luck, Tom

Jngaelin · Post by **Jngaelin** » Fri Jan 30, 2004 11:17 pm

On 2004-01-30 19:52, astroman wrote:
Devices in a project are fixed references while Modules (obviously) are saved in their binary state during processing.
If something goes wrong with the latter, who knows what will be up ?

good luck, Tom

Damn !!
I should really start reading manuals.
I never thaught of this.
Thanx Tom !! I'll check it out.

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valis · Post by **valis** » Sat Jan 31, 2004 7:25 am

On 2004-01-30 11:49, Counterparts wrote:
There's nowt wrong with tar!

We still tar & zip all our project hierarchies at work when backing them up. We switched recently from DVD RAM (not enough capacity) to USB2 connected 2.5" HDDs hanging off a Linux box, driven by shell scripts.

Royston

The problem with TAR in this case had to do with tape medium. Whenever we wanted to retrieve something we had to wait for it to build an index of the ENTIRE tape then shuttle back to the point where the data was on the tape. This was about 95-97 and I think the tape device was one of the lesser concerns in our budget.

I meant no disrespect to TAR itself

Incidentally to keep this on topic: I once had a project get corrupted, and after sending the project to creamware's tech support the best they could suggest was that the number of 'free' devices compiled for older versions of SFP was causing problems when loading the dsps.

And recently I had a tune where I was getting a BSOD-and it was from the pulsar project. Running Logic with the same song loaded into a NEW pulsar project nothing but the proper # of ASIO i/o and all my hardware i/o loaded had NO problems after several minutes of running. So I took some screengrabs of the 'problem' project and rebuilt it by hand from scratch--only to get a BSOD again! Nothing except official 3.1c devices, and I use every one of them constantly.

weird

Jngaelin · Post by **Jngaelin** » Tue Mar 30, 2004 8:30 am

On 2004-01-28 05:21, Counterparts wrote:
No idea what's going on, but does this happen only with files which you set SFP to save twice (2x backup copies as you said)?

Just a thought.

Royston

Just an update.
I have discovered that the statement above from Royston is a fact !!! Atleast on my system.

Iv'e been testing this out and when setting my "backup copies" to a number higher then 1, my saves become corupted. Just a warning to others who might try the same thing.

This problem might not affect everybody. I just wanted to tell just in case.

Regards Jngaelin.

_________________
Love to you all =)
(I Praise JAH)

[ This Message was edited by: Jngaelin on 2004-03-30 08:34 ]

spacef · Post by **spacef** » Wed Mar 31, 2004 4:41 am

On 2004-01-28 10:17, dehuszar wrote:
I always make incremental changes into new save files. I always name them <project>-00x-mm-dd-yy-<brief_description>.pro.

that's the way to go