melisma

paulrmartin · Post by **paulrmartin** » Wed Feb 11, 2004 5:31 pm

hmmm.... You mean like the roccocco era?

Post by **hubird** » Wed Feb 11, 2004 8:31 pm

On 2004-02-11 17:26, skwawks wrote:
Didn't someone say you'll never go broke underestimating the tase of the general public . Seems to me overornamentation in any field comes just before the whole thing collapses under the weight of it's own stupidity

Yohooo!

skwawks · Post by **skwawks** » Tue Feb 24, 2004 6:52 pm

roccoco and rollolo.
Arab singing is very melismatic(?) isn't it but it works big time in that style . I guess it's context and application . I like beyonce quite a lot and she indulges in a bit of melisma but importantly not every friggin note .

paulrmartin · Post by **paulrmartin** » Tue Feb 24, 2004 7:07 pm

You just cannot(!) compare Beyonce with Oum Kalsoum. Now That woman could SING!

In arab music, melisma is used to convey emotion. In pop singing, it's just plain pain-in-the-ass showing off.
I am certain if you ask ANY pop singer about what they are doing you will get a blank stare or at least some unintelligible explanation(that they won't understand themselves)

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skwawks · Post by **skwawks** » Wed Feb 25, 2004 7:00 pm

Who's comparing ?? I was just mentioning two instances of a technique both of which I'm fairly partial to as opposed to instances of the technique that I'm not partial to ,as in doing it all the time when the context doesn't really suit . I think the relevant bit is "I'M" .
If there is one thing I know now about music it's that comparisons are pretty meaningless once a certain standard of performance has been reached ,you either dig it or you dont and that is a personal choice .Anyway I dont give much of a flying .... I just wish I could sing half as well as both of 'em .
Cheers
Skwawks

braincell · Post by **braincell** » Wed Feb 25, 2004 7:47 pm

I'm really glad about this thread. I have been watching that stupid show "American Idol" and everyone is melismatic.

I guess this is what people think of as good singing these days. Nevermind that there is nothing memorable about any of these songs.

I think it was Whitney Houston who taught everyone the importance of making your mouth quiver and face contort the way an insect's body reacts in the final throws of death after a good dose of RAID.

petal · Post by **petal** » Wed Feb 25, 2004 9:05 pm

Yeeeeeess, Just like my dad......

Thomas

paulrmartin · Post by **paulrmartin** » Thu Feb 26, 2004 8:26 am

Black singer's melismas should have stopped with Stevie Wonder. At least he has TASTE.

braincell · Post by **braincell** » Fri Feb 27, 2004 3:05 pm

I agree Paul but he is also a composer. Most of the new singers don't write or arrange the music yet they get the credit and most of the money.

interloper · Post by **interloper** » Fri Feb 27, 2004 3:21 pm

On 2004-02-25 19:47, braincell wrote:
I think it was Whitney Houston who taught everyone the importance of making your mouth quiver and face contort the way an insect's body reacts in the final throws of death after a good dose of RAID.

lmfao

astroman · Post by **astroman** » Fri Feb 27, 2004 3:48 pm

On 2004-02-27 15:05, braincell wrote:
...Most of the new singers don't write or arrange the music yet they get the credit and most of the money.

Really ?
what do the words contract, lawyer, record company, manager, composer, author, producer and financing in advance mean to you in a 'musical' context

cheers, Tom

skwawks · Post by **skwawks** » Fri Feb 27, 2004 5:51 pm

About 6 months ago I heard some tracks from a chick here in Oz [dont know her name the producer was very cagey] who had found a new and excellent way to yodel in a contemporary idiom ,I kid you not !! She does it so well that it could be a new approach if her proj doesn't self destruct . Think about that and be very scared .
Cheers
Paul

valis · Post by **valis** » Sat Feb 28, 2004 10:38 am

imo this is directly parallel to Kenny G walking around in the audience sustaining a note for 4 minutes to peak his performance....every 6 minutes.

paulrmartin · Post by **paulrmartin** » Sat Feb 28, 2004 10:59 am

Valis, you bring up a great point!

Thank GOD Mariah Carey does NOT have rotary breathing!

Post by **hubird** » Sat Feb 28, 2004 10:31 pm