Is it worth to upgrade to SX, when yes why?

ChrisWerner · Post by **ChrisWerner** » Thu Feb 19, 2004 2:23 pm

Hi, I could allure some money into my purse and I´m thinking to upgrade to Cubase SX.
Since some years, I work with Cubase5/32 and I feel very comfortable.
With this topic I want to learn what are the pros and cons to upgrade.
Many people here are upgraded to SX in the past.
Please give me the last boost!
cheers

next to nothing · Post by **next to nothing** » Thu Feb 19, 2004 2:44 pm

colorscheme matching SFP.

petal · Post by **petal** » Thu Feb 19, 2004 4:10 pm

Yes, and it has nice fonts too....

zezappa · Post by **zezappa** » Thu Feb 19, 2004 4:13 pm

you can't reverse the roll of times, just get it...

Nestor · Post by **Nestor** » Thu Feb 19, 2004 4:15 pm

Hi Chris, here's what i think:

Pros:
* SX has better working flow possibilities, it’s very flexible compared to versions of Cubase 5xx…, the difference is huge and anybody trying it for a couple of months, will not be back to any earlier version of Cubase. I was told exactly this when I asked the same question than you to the forum, but I didn’t believed it immediately, I was incredulous because version 5.1r was already very good for me. Now that I have been with it working for a few months, and despite I know by heart Cubase 5.1r and was happy with it, I will never go back. That would be like taking a bicycle to ride, when I have a Harley Davison 1000! ¿Is it the difference as big as that really? Yes, it is!

* Its audio engine sounds MUCH BETTER than earlier versions of Cubase, and for me this is a main point.

* VST instruments seem to work better than ever, I don’t get any stack VSTi or have problems with polyphony. They for sure sound better, their dynamic response has changed, I can’t explain why, but their sound is better, smother if you like me to name it.

* Beautiful, improved interface.

* Many more options in configurations and setting up.

* Extremely efficient automation, another GREAT improvement I love as a main point.

* VERY good EQs and FX in general, very nice sounding suit. VSTis as I said, sound better, so do VST FXs.

* You can record at 32 Bit Flp, which gives you better final mixes.

* Mixers are effective and precise, with some intelligent options that make your work easier and faster, with responsive meters.

Conts:
* Expensive updates.

* A few minor bugs (I have read about but not discovered yet but one annoying) This bug is the fact that if you want to record several times over a midi part, when you go for the second time, there is no sound to play with it. So you need to “Edit” this part using the “Control” and “E” keys, opening the Key Editor, and then you can record and listen to what is already recorded in the MIDI background of your part.

I don’t fear to mistake here, just GO FOR IT!

zezappa · Post by **zezappa** » Thu Feb 19, 2004 4:38 pm

sorry nestor..., but there are few other midi functions completely lost but whose are possible to turn around with diferent ways of work and I think these are only for each one to aproach.
For the one you've said I hope to have understood it right as I had never met it, 'cos I always record midi overs to new tracks and edit them all in key editor to one final track.

Chris, I still keep 5.1 installed but I have never run it since I upgrade.

Nestor · Post by **Nestor** » Thu Feb 19, 2004 5:35 pm

What I mean is in "loping" mode, when you let a loop and you try to record your MIDI, the only way to leasten to your track is opening the Key Editor, perhaps it only happens to me cos of a configuration probme? I don't know... But SX is better, far better even with a few bugs, than 5.1r, that nevertheless, also has some bugs.

zezappa · Post by **zezappa** » Thu Feb 19, 2004 7:21 pm

sorry for OT but I'd like to clarify this with Nestor. I've thought that when you mentioned Loop would mean Cycle mode and then I apologise.
If it was, then you're losing the 4 options for Midi record in Cycle mode and, probably, you've got Overwrite or Stacked selected, try Mix in the left down corner of transport bar.
Anyway, I know there's another mode to record with Loops playing which I'm not into, yet, if that's, please, sorry my lacks...

Nestor · Post by **Nestor** » Thu Feb 19, 2004 7:36 pm

I don't longer know who is saying what

this is what happend when to foreigners talk with a second language... he he...

Ok, seriously now... I open Cubase, and go to a MIDI track. Lets say Nº1. Then I start recording with "cycle" activated. I record lets say... cymbals for instance, well... now I can hear what I've done without problems. But if I press the "rec" bottom, the track will stop sounding... so because I already know it, I open the Key Editor, and there the sound continues in Cycle mode, even if I keep forever recording the other drums. I hope I have explained myself a bit better now, sorry

zezappa · Post by **zezappa** » Thu Feb 19, 2004 8:08 pm

Nestor, it doesn't happen here, not SX fault, tho I can't imagine why...

kensuguro · Post by **kensuguro** » Thu Feb 19, 2004 10:59 pm

I've run into SX here and there, and I'm seriously thinking of getting it. The VSTi stability is the best. Stuff that didn't work right in other sequencers all of a sudden start to work as they should in SX. It's the standard, SX is what developers test stuff on, it's what software is written for. It's a good standard to follow up on I think.

I also have a feeling that SX people took a lot of time preparing for the big "logic turnover" cuz there are lots of points in SX that make me say, "hey, logic does that too". ie, it's easy to move from logic to SX. (in case some windows logic users are wondering)

interloper · Post by **interloper** » Thu Feb 19, 2004 11:35 pm

How about this: multiple undo's? That alone sold me.

Also, being able to direct a Master Send out to a Cubase SX buss, and then into SFP effects is pretty damn nice.

ChrisWerner · Post by **ChrisWerner** » Fri Feb 20, 2004 1:59 am

Ok, that´s what I think.
A non destructive undo list.
16 vsti slots.
The mixer is very accurate, do you remember the volume steps in the cubase5x mixer?
Better midi functions, volume curves directly shown with your midi track.
The new vst synth.
The -what you hear can be mixdown- option, that includes external synths like our sfp stuff.
Ahhh, the design and fonts are nice too.

I was frighten when SX came out, I had a look at it and it was full of bugs.
But today I think SX is matured and fully functional, isn´t it?.
Thanks for your support, I´ll go for it today.

Nestor · Post by **Nestor** » Fri Feb 20, 2004 6:54 pm

I would like your input once you get it Chris, I'd love to here what you think, just a general impression. Cheers.

ChrisWerner · Post by **ChrisWerner** » Mon Feb 23, 2004 6:17 am

Promised Nestor, I´ve ordered it today.
Ohh, I´m nervous

Nestor · Post by **Nestor** » Mon Feb 23, 2004 1:19 pm

Good times are to come so...

You'll see...