HIP-HOP snigget

Thalamus · Post by **Thalamus** » Tue Jun 17, 2003 8:29 pm

This file has expired and is no longer available here. The owner of the topic can re-upload the file, or post a link to an off-site file. <a name="planetz-tag"></a>Genre: Hip Hop <a name="planetz-tag"></a>Uses: Pulsar Effects,Pulsar Mixers,Pulsar Synths copyright © 2003 Noah Laux & Lars Trusell _____________________________________ :: NEW MIX AND ARRANGEMENT WITH VOCALS UPLOADED 4-6-2004 ::

:: NEW MIX AND ARRANGEMENT UPLOADED 24-1-2004 ::

:: NEW VERSION UPLOADED ::

A part from a hip-hop project i'm working on. I'm happy with the big buttom BD and smashing snare. And yes, the bass IS a tuba...

Mix is done in SPF with Timeworks EQ & compressors.

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sandrob · Post by **sandrob** » Wed Jun 18, 2003 3:16 am

nice, thalamus

sounds to me like i'm listening world chart.
soooooo profesional

kensuguro · Post by **kensuguro** » Wed Jun 18, 2003 6:22 am

nice! any plans for distribution?

borg · Post by **borg** » Fri Jun 20, 2003 10:57 am

can't but agree with sandrob.

if eminem and the likes are up there in the charts, you deserve to be at least next to them. this is absolute pro stuff.
perfect sound...

AudioIrony · Post by **AudioIrony** » Sat Jun 21, 2003 5:09 am

well done - I used that female vocal sample in a tune too - but not to such good effect

Thalamus · Post by **Thalamus** » Sat Jun 21, 2003 8:41 am

On 2003-06-18 04:16, sandrob wrote:
sounds to me like i'm listening world chart.

Hehe... well, lets hope so. Thx for your nice comments.

There are no distribution plans for this, but really that's not my department. I'm doing it with another guy. He has the initail ideas, and I'm producing the stuff (new backgrounds, drums and stuff) and make it sound good. Really, I'm not that fond at hip-hop at all, so I just turn the rappers down, and do my thang. The song is not mastered yet, but I'm glad it sounded good on your systems

blgrace: Yeah, that female vocal sample (from Inspiration kits) in the refain is actually not gonna be there, I think. We'll like a nice black female singer to do some souly thing.

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sandrob · Post by **sandrob** » Sun Jun 22, 2003 6:32 am

just wondering... do i smell pultec sound on vocal?! la2-a maybe?!
1176LN on the drums maybe?!

Thalamus · Post by **Thalamus** » Sun Jun 22, 2003 6:40 am

Exellent hearing sandrob... Pultec and LA2A on vocals. Vinco on drumbus.

sandrob · Post by **sandrob** » Sun Jun 22, 2003 2:48 pm

he, he

vinco is 1176LN's clone

btw: i use the same combination here mostly. i use 1176LN instead of vinco, but vinco is also nice - very nice.

deejaysly · Post by **deejaysly** » Sun Jun 22, 2003 4:13 pm

Just had a listen. Blown away!

Every element of the tune sounds spot on.

I am still learning lot of stuff to do with production and was wondering...

1) How did Sandrob recognise the sound of a Compressor????!!!! Am I right?

2) Do you put alot of Compression on that sort of stuff?

3) What effect does the Pultec and LA2A have on the vocal? What kinds of kit are these?

Answers to these questions greatly appreciated!

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Thalamus · Post by **Thalamus** » Sun Jun 22, 2003 4:59 pm

Sandrob: Yeah, I know about vinco is a 1176LN clone, and I think its rigth upthere with UAD-1 qualitywize. I'm disapointed though that they didn't implement the "all-buttons" feature as UAD. I simply love that.

The vocal chain is actually a bit more complex. It starts with a Ultrafunk Gate, and then pultec, LA2A, routed to a bus where Waves R-vox, R-deesser is (I don't use UAD stuff on busses, mainly becourse I'm in Cubase SX (waiting for Nuendo 2) and don't wanna mess with the latency issues. The vocals are also routed to a SPF mixer with Qdrive on the channel mixed low, to get distorted harmonies. I think in the final mix, I'll turn down the lower frequencies on the vocal, to get a more balanced mix. Also I will sidechain compress the vocals with the other elements, to ensure every word can be heard.

deejaysly:

Thank you for your nice reaction.

First of all, in this mix, great attention was made to ensure that most overlaping frequencies were eleminated. That means that fx the bass or the drums really doesn't sound that great when you solo them, but in the mix context it sounds great. Also, very few times, sounds which share the same spectrum, rarely plays at the same time.

1) Both LA2A and 1176LN has both a very distinct character, and is preferred by many many top engineres, producers and even singers (Michael Jackson, Cher, Kate Bush etc). They are originally hardware compressors from the past made by Universal Audio/Teletronix ( http://www.uaudio.com ), and are very expensive vintage units, course they went out of production years ago. Universal Audio recently reissued both units, but they are still VERY expensive. As an alternative you can buy Universal Audios UAD-1 pci-card, which emulates those two effects as VST effects and many more, and it does it damn well.

When you say bass you almost allways say bass through a LA2A, course it just sounds soooooooo smooth and nice. The device has like two knobs that does it's magic, where many modern compressors many more. But those two knobs is enough, course it's just like whatever you run through the LA2A just sound so smooth and natural. You can even dail in insane amount of compression, and it's barely noticeably. Vocals, drums, bass. It surely is a magic box. The 1176 is in the same legue, for smashing the hell out of a drumbus, or sqeuzing vocals. It has a few more options like attack, release and ratio. Go get em, highly recommended...

2) Yeah, in hip-hop everything should sound upfront, so mostly everything is compressed. Especially vocals and drums. When you do that you can, in the end, have a louder master, but surely, if you dail in too much compression, things start to sound lifeless.

3) The Pultec EQ is also a very rare and vintage unit, originally developed for telephone aplications. Its extremely expensive, but furtunatly also included in the UAD-1 package. I haven't tried an original Pultec, but the plugin sound so nice, that I don't really care. I have yet to discover a plugin or hardware EQ (except maybe for a Tubetech EQ I borrow from time to time, Manley EQ is also up there!), where I can throw an awfull amount of treble or bass, and the sound never get harsh or muddy. It's THE thing to add breath to vocals, and tight bass to drums or bass. The funny thing about about it, is that you can boost and cut at the same time, resulting in a strange, but very musical EQ curve.

Hope to be to any help...

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deejaysly · Post by **deejaysly** » Mon Jun 23, 2003 4:44 pm

Many thanks for your words Thalamus.

Since the hip hop track, I have listened to more of your tracks and love the variety.

I wish I had as much imagination! Still, I haven't been doing this stuff long.

Hope someday my ideas will come out sounding as professional as yours!

Well done to you! Keep up the good work!

Thalamus · Post by **Thalamus** » Sat Jul 05, 2003 7:55 pm

It's not just my imagination but very much the artists I work with, that brings in the variety.

Anyway, I wish you all the luck in the future...

Thalamus · Post by **Thalamus** » Tue Sep 09, 2003 6:16 pm

Hi there...

Just posted a new version for you to hear.

The refrain part is gonna be very defferend when we do some vocal work with the new singer we found.

I'll post a new version when we finish our work.

Thalamus · Post by **Thalamus** » Fri Jan 23, 2004 8:24 pm

Hi again,

This song is almost finished, it just need final adjustments and mastering. I think we'll keep the refrain.

Post by **Neil B** » Sun Jan 25, 2004 7:03 am

This is really not my style AT ALL

Having said tat, and confessing to not listening to all of it, it's another pefectly professional upload from you Noah.

Well done.

Post by **hubird** » Sun Jan 25, 2004 8:33 pm

I really hate it, and confessing not having listened to it AT ALL, I must say it's another perfectly professional upload from you Noah!
Kidding, I like it and it's well captured

wayne · Post by **wayne** » Sun Jan 25, 2004 10:11 pm

What sort of tuba is that, Noah?

Thalamus · Post by **Thalamus** » Sun Jan 25, 2004 10:17 pm

Funky there...

The tuba is from a Miroslav Sample CD. Could be nice with a real one though.

wayne · Post by **wayne** » Mon Jan 26, 2004 1:10 am

Well, pm me if you would like some real tuba grabs - might be fun!

Like the tune, btw - you get a sort of dark carnival funk thing happening very well.