Controlling Filters with the Envelope?!

SnelleJelle · Post by **SnelleJelle** » Thu Oct 02, 2003 9:20 am

Hi All.

Maybe this is a real simple question but I can't figure it out. I'm working with a cw Pulsar I card on a P4 pc with sonar 2.0 xl with sfp 3.1.

I mostly use sampled (drums with the sds sampler and my lead samples with the sts2000) The thing I really want is for example put a highpass filter on my drums and slowly fade the filter out in the beginning of my track. I know how to put a highpassfilter on my drums but I don't want it the whole track to sound like that. So how can I control this in my sequencer?

Many thanx!

kensuguro · Post by **kensuguro** » Thu Oct 02, 2003 11:43 am

hmm.. sts2000 doesn't have filters built in? (I don't use it) You can put in a peq4 insert, and assign MIDI CC, and use your sequencer to automate it. Or, you can put a filter between the drum's sts2000 and the mixer, do the highpass sweep in realtime, and just record it. That sounds like an easier solution to me. And as soon as the intro's over, you can just go back to your original drums.

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SnelleJelle · Post by **SnelleJelle** » Sun Oct 19, 2003 8:43 am

You can put in a peq4 insert, and assign MIDI CC, and use your sequencer to automate it.

Yes I guess this is the thing I want to do. But I don't know exactly how to do it. How do I "assign MIDI CC" I can't seem to find Midi CC in my routing window taskbar. Could anyone help a man out?!

Thanx!!

alfonso · Post by **alfonso** » Sun Oct 19, 2003 2:38 pm

Right-click the knob you want to automate to open CC control settings for the knob.

SnelleJelle · Post by **SnelleJelle** » Mon Oct 20, 2003 6:19 am

Right-click the knob you want to automate to open CC control settings for the knob.

I'm sorry guys. Is there Anyone who can give me a clear step-to-step "how to do"

Im really confused. Wich knob do I have to right click? Is this in SFP (I think it is) or is it in my Sequencer.

I'm a newbe to this so anything will be really appreciated!

Zer · Post by **Zer** » Mon Oct 20, 2003 8:51 am

this has to be done in SFP choose the knop you want to control. click it with the right mouse button and select a controller from the drop downlist (e.g. 74) Afterwards go into sonar and draw you controller cruve (select 74). Voilà.

SnelleJelle · Post by **SnelleJelle** » Mon Oct 20, 2003 3:32 pm

Guys your help is really apreciated but please treat me like I am really stupid. I think im so close but it didn't work actually. I came as far as this

sample in the sts2000, connected to the 4pole-s wich is connected to the first 2 channels of the STM1632 mixer. In the intro of my song I want only the bass and slowly blend in the higher frequences. So wich know do I have to assign to what?!

Thanx for the help so far!!

alfonso · Post by **alfonso** » Mon Oct 20, 2003 5:07 pm

You have to put the 4 pole-s as an insert in the mixer and connect the mixer midi input to the seq.source in order to be able to control 4 pole-s knobs via midi cc's.

After you loaded 4 pole in the insert slot of the mixer, you will be able to have a midi cc assignation panel for every knob you right click on. In your case you need to assign a controller number to the frequency knob.

this can be done in two ways:
1)

you have a physical midi controller hooked to the midi input of the mixer, (usually through a sequencer midi track, in order to record the movements of the controller).

In this case you right click the freq. knob of the inserted 4 pole-s, then you just move the controller (mod wheel,midi sliders etc.) and you will notice that it's number is recognized on the cc assignation panel.

At this point you click the + symbol on that panel to assign it.

2)

Otherwise you can just click on that sheet(?) symbol right after the - symbol on the cc as. panel, and another panel will show, with all cc numbers in a list. Double click on one and it's assigned.

remember to set a dedicated midi channel to the mixer and to send midi cc's on that channel. I usually prefer ch 16 for the mixer.

This should be enough. Some trial and error and some manual reading are a necessary complement to the learning process.

Cheers.

SnelleJelle · Post by **SnelleJelle** » Mon Oct 20, 2003 5:49 pm

Thanx you very much for the help on the planetz forum. I set everything like you said. But I still have 2 questions.

"connect the mixer midi input to the seq.source"

1. should I connect the same "seq. source" as I have used for my sts sampler? And how do I do that? By a midi key splitter?!

"remember to set a dedicated midi channel to the mixer and to send midi cc's on that channel"

2. I'm sorry, I really don't know what a dedicate midi channel is and how to set it!

Thank you if it is possible to help me out with this!

SnelleJelle · Post by **SnelleJelle** » Mon Oct 20, 2003 6:17 pm

YEAH!!! GUYS I DID IT!! I'M VERY HAPPY NOW!!! OOOOOOOWIEEEEEEEEEE... THANX THANX THANX!

alfonso · Post by **alfonso** » Mon Oct 20, 2003 6:18 pm

On 2003-10-20 18:49, SnelleJelle wrote:
Thanx you very much for the help on the planetz forum. I set everything like you said. But I still have 2 questions.

"connect the mixer midi input to the seq.source"

1. should I connect the same "seq. source" as I have used for my sts sampler? And how do I do that? By a midi key splitter?!

"remember to set a dedicated midi channel to the mixer and to send midi cc's on that channel"

2. I'm sorry, I really don't know what a dedicate midi channel is and how to set it!

Thank you if it is possible to help me out with this!

1) yes, you don't need any splitter. all signals in sfp can be routed from any output to any number of inputs. The midi connection from the sequencer source carries 16 midi channels, so it has to be connected to all the devices to get midi from seq.

2) You just have to set each device receiving on a different midi channel, so if you have a midi track on that channel only the device(s) receiving on that channel will respond to it. The selection on wich data will be received from midi connection is set on the receiving device, changing it's midi channel accordingly to the midi track that sends the data for it.

That's true also for the mixer.

All devices usually load as "omni", i.e. receiving on all midi channels. this is not important if you have only one device playing, but if you want different midi tracks send signals to different devices, you set each track on the same Midi channel of its device.

So, was just to remember you to change the "omni" channel of the mixer to a single channel, the same channel of the midi track you want to record the knob movement to. And don't use that midi channel on other devices.