Trying To Record Into Logic Or Cubase Part 5

[Astral Fridge Magnet]

Hello All,

First of all thanks to everyone who has tried to help so far. Many of you by now must be thinking what a complete idiot I must be. So just in case I am giving that impression can I at least say that I am a reasonably good musician but I have to admit I know bugger all about studio wiring. When I first got Pulsar and created my projects, someone else actually did it for me but now they are not around to help.
Anyway to the problem. Bassdude, just in case you are reading this, I did what you suggested and it works. I get my signal from the vectron going into Logic. But any other synths or my anolog out (for guitar) that I add to the mixer don't go into Logic though a signal is going into my STM 2448 mixer. So why is it that The first 2 channels work and not anything else that follows/that I connect. Sorry but to me it just isn't logical. I really can't understand why.
I also don't understand why I need to disable stereo? When I do, I only get one channel (either left or right) going into Logic. Ok, I realise that I can make the track in Logic mono, but I want to record in stereo, not mono. I realise I am getting mono because my ASIO Dest is fed by the DL outs of the mixer and not the DR outs ( but here I am following your advice Bassdude just in case you are reading this). And just in case GaryB you are reading this what do you mean by I have created an ASIO loop? See the following link for a screenshot:

http://www.planetz.com/forums/viewtopic ... forum=14&0

In essence what I am asking is:

a)Why is it that the first two inputs of the STM 2448 mixer send a signal to the Logic mixers and the rest don't?
b)Why are you suggesting that I record in mono and not stereo?

Please again refer to my project using the Big Mixer from Pulsar 2. This works for me and I achieve what I want to. But for the life of me I can't seem to do something similar in STM 2448.
http://www.planetz.com/forums/viewtopic ... forum=14&1

My apologies if you are sick of reading about my hassles and my inability to figure it out for my self, but as I said I am an idiot when it comes to this stuff. Could someone guide me by the hand here and explain step by step exactly how I should connect it all up, or provide a sample screenshot or mail me a project. Please!!!! Pretty please with sugar on top!!!!

Thanks.

[garyb]

wow! where to begin.....where do you live?maybe we can meet to discuss this.typing will take too long and the info is already typed in the manual.you need more basic discussion of routing because this stuff can be routed in so many ways.maybe we can do it by phone if you're in the usa....email me.

[bassdude]

I get my signal from the vectron going into Logic. But any other synths or my anolog out (for guitar) that I add to the mixer don't go into Logic though a signal is going into my STM 2448 mixer. So why is it that The first 2 channels work and not anything else that follows/that I connect.

The direct outs of the STM2448 correspond to the inputs on the stm2448. In1(IL1/IR1) - DL1(DL1/DR1), In2(IL2/IR2) - DL2(DL2/DR2) etc...

As a test, leave the vectron player connected where it is (ch1&ch2 as on the pic where you followed my suggestion). Disconnect all connections that go from the direct outs of the stm2448 to the Asio 2 Dest (ASIO 2 Dest should have nothing connected to it). Now ADD another connection from OutL of the Vectron player direct to 1L on the Asio 2 dest module. So now you have two cables comming from OutL of the vectron player. One goint to In1 on the stm2448 and 1 going to 1L on the ASIO 2 Dest.
That is the exact same thing as if you connected DL1 (stm2448) to 1L (asio 2 dest). That is what a direct out is. Just a copy of what is on the INPUT of the corresponding channel.
Do the same for the OutR on the Vectron player - OutR to 1R on the asio 2 Dest.
Now we know that this works because you can see a signal in Logic. What if you move the connections on the ASIO 2 Dest down to the next Pair (2L and 2R)? Do you still see a signal for the Vectron player? No? Then Logic isn't configured to accept signals on those channels.


According to the picture (where you followed my suggestion) and assuming midi is setup correctly, you have wired up the prisma correctly and should be seeing level in logic. The analog source is also setup correctly, however it is a stereo input so 3R on the asio dest module should connect to DR5 on the sttm2448.

Anyway, is Logic configured to accept more than a stereo signal I.E. is it setup to do multitrack recording - more than two tracks simultaneously? In cubase by default only a stereo input is configured and you have to turn on extra inputs if you want to use them.

Also, open up a micro mixer module and connect its in1 to 2L on the asio dest module (that will correspond to the OutL of the prisma, of the original pic, if you trace it thru). If signal is getting to the asio dest module you should see it also register on the level meter of the micro mixer. If you can see a signal registering on the micro mixer but still can't see it on the level meters in logic, then you know it's a config issue in logic! Using The micro mixer this way is a good way to test various points of a project.

I also don't understand why I need to disable stereo?

You don't have to. I only suggested this because the BM does not have stereo channels like the stm. It was only to help you get the concept worked out. By all means use stereo channels for stereo sources. Remember to also use the corresponding DL and DR outputs to send the stereo signal to ASIO dest.

But when you use a mono source you only use the DL output and not the DR output. For mono sources the DR output is not used (from memory).

From your response here though (and looking at the pic), it does look like you are starting to get to grips with the routing so don't despair!

a)Why is it that the first two inputs of the STM 2448 mixer send a signal to the Logic mixers and the rest don't?

As above, it might be that you only have the first 2 inputs in logic enabled and you need to find out how to enable and use more inputs (within logic).

b)Why are you suggesting that I record in mono and not stereo?

I wasn't suggesting you record in mono. The left and right channels of the stereo source are just sent across seperate channels the same as happens in the BM.

I have no fingers left now.

[Astral Fridge Magnet]

Hi,

Bassdude, thank you very much for your lengthy reply. As yet I haven't tried anything because I have been away on a short trip. I will tackle it soon (in fact right after I finish this post).
GaryB, thanks for the fact that you are willing to help by phone. I will email you shortly (if I am still stuck). I live in Holland by the way. I don't mind phoning you. It won't be that expensive. I call Australia on a regular basis anyway. So you might hear from me soon.
Thank you both for all your trouble.

[Astral Fridge Magnet]

Hi again Bassdude,

I have tried your second suggestion. As You predicted, I have no signal going in the logic mixer when I use in/out other than the first pair. You say it is because I don't have Logic configured to accept more than one pair of inputs. But, I don't have this problem with my Big Mixer project from Pulsar 2. I just can't figure it out.