This file has expired and is no longer available here. The owner of the topic can re-upload the file, or post a link to an off-site file. <BR><BR><a name="planetz-tag"></a>Genre: Hip Hop<BR> <a name="planetz-tag"></a>Uses: Pulsar Effects,Pulsar Mixers,Pulsar Synths<BR> copyright © 2003 Noah Laux & Lars Trusell<BR> _____________________________________<BR><BR> Hi all,
Just went home from Amsterdam to do this song, with my hip-hop guy. First this song went in tempo 72, but soon we desided that it should be double-up. I really like the energi and mood of this track, which where totally defferend when it appeared on my desk.
The thing is only a sketch and need masterering and so on, bare with me.
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Thalamus
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Well, I don't quite get you. As many others in this forum I feel like I have something to learn from you. In my mind this piece is far from perfect, and the reason to post it here is to get some input about whats not so good, both soúndwise and the composition as a whole. In case of sound, I feel that i'm not even close to your stuff (mr. swim & chris werner), so i'ld like some comments about bottom end control etc. Too, when i make music I get drifted away, so sometimes whats ok for me, is tooo much for many people.On 2003-07-06 12:15, mr swim wrote:
Bloody good ! As always ! What are we meant to say anymore Thalamus ? Eh ?
Dunno what mastering there really is to do - the drums sound really tight and I love it when it breaks into the chorus.
Big Styly !
I hope you understand me...
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ChrisWerner
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Hi Noah,
well bottom end control. This is hard to explain when I´am not sitting with you working on a track and learn by doing.
First I think the mastering process is a developing thing, I haven´t reached my aim yet but I´am close I think, my aim is that a song sounds like it is played with the loundness on my amplifier is switched on and all frequences reach the red mark of my spectrum analyzer.
I´ll try to tell you how I work.
Let us make a virtual track, I find a sound that fits my mood I have at the moment, I get inspired with the sound quality and so I try to reach a pre mastered stage for every instruments before I record it. Mostly I add a compresor to fell the pressure direct in my face, the endorphin with the loud and punchy preset for example.
If it is a drum track or a deep pad and I want a deep bottom I use the MaxxBass and tweak it until I get what I want.
I use Delays and Reverbs as send effects to enrich sounds, make them wider and louder mostly it is the multilens or OhmBoys,they add nice distortions to a sound that makes them unique.
To place single tracks in the mix so that they have their own place I use a stereo spread on nearly all tracks. Pads are wider or the widest, FX have a smaller room. Drums stay in the middle with the Bass, sometimes drums play left and right only and the BD stays in the middle.
EQing is a very important part of my work, I try to "reserve" or give every instrumet his frequence range, I try to seperate them from the others. Sometimes I let flow several instruments together, that can end in some accidental sounds and "new" events in my tracks, when the frequences sum up more and more, a very experimental stage in my work.
Once all tracks are recorded I work in solo mode on every track. I try to chisel out the sounds again, find their soul, I try to boost that element of the sound that finaly work in the whole song. After I processed every track I make a fine adjustment of every setting when all tracks play together, again.
Now it could happen that I have to do a mixer automation to work out several points in the song, more effect here, fading volumes there.
This all is a very long process and needs time, this can last some days, though because your ears need a rest and can´t work 24 hours a day.
My mastering is very easy then I only add the L2 and find the right setting, it could happen that the L2 cut 12db or more away from the song but it works, sometimes I use a mastering EQ before the L2 to make a final adjustment to the ready track. Before I mixdown a track I have a look on a spectrum analyzer, stereo monitor and correlation meter to proof the track. The stereo meter most show a wide picture and the spectrum must be full of red marks. After the mixdown I load the track into my wave editor and have a look on the waveform, when I see a black bar only I´am pleased.
I have few indicators to proof the pressure of my songs. First my lamps in the studio, when they start to waggle I reached the mark I want. Second my Computer-monitors when they start to flicker, I´am right.
Maybe the wrong place to write you my way how I make or mix my music, I hope it helps you somehow. If you have further questions you know where you can reach me.
A nice track by the way, in a need of a little mastering only. You mix quite good anyway.
Cheers
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well bottom end control. This is hard to explain when I´am not sitting with you working on a track and learn by doing.
First I think the mastering process is a developing thing, I haven´t reached my aim yet but I´am close I think, my aim is that a song sounds like it is played with the loundness on my amplifier is switched on and all frequences reach the red mark of my spectrum analyzer.
I´ll try to tell you how I work.
Let us make a virtual track, I find a sound that fits my mood I have at the moment, I get inspired with the sound quality and so I try to reach a pre mastered stage for every instruments before I record it. Mostly I add a compresor to fell the pressure direct in my face, the endorphin with the loud and punchy preset for example.
If it is a drum track or a deep pad and I want a deep bottom I use the MaxxBass and tweak it until I get what I want.
I use Delays and Reverbs as send effects to enrich sounds, make them wider and louder mostly it is the multilens or OhmBoys,they add nice distortions to a sound that makes them unique.
To place single tracks in the mix so that they have their own place I use a stereo spread on nearly all tracks. Pads are wider or the widest, FX have a smaller room. Drums stay in the middle with the Bass, sometimes drums play left and right only and the BD stays in the middle.
EQing is a very important part of my work, I try to "reserve" or give every instrumet his frequence range, I try to seperate them from the others. Sometimes I let flow several instruments together, that can end in some accidental sounds and "new" events in my tracks, when the frequences sum up more and more, a very experimental stage in my work.
Once all tracks are recorded I work in solo mode on every track. I try to chisel out the sounds again, find their soul, I try to boost that element of the sound that finaly work in the whole song. After I processed every track I make a fine adjustment of every setting when all tracks play together, again.
Now it could happen that I have to do a mixer automation to work out several points in the song, more effect here, fading volumes there.
This all is a very long process and needs time, this can last some days, though because your ears need a rest and can´t work 24 hours a day.
My mastering is very easy then I only add the L2 and find the right setting, it could happen that the L2 cut 12db or more away from the song but it works, sometimes I use a mastering EQ before the L2 to make a final adjustment to the ready track. Before I mixdown a track I have a look on a spectrum analyzer, stereo monitor and correlation meter to proof the track. The stereo meter most show a wide picture and the spectrum must be full of red marks. After the mixdown I load the track into my wave editor and have a look on the waveform, when I see a black bar only I´am pleased.
I have few indicators to proof the pressure of my songs. First my lamps in the studio, when they start to waggle I reached the mark I want. Second my Computer-monitors when they start to flicker, I´am right.
Maybe the wrong place to write you my way how I make or mix my music, I hope it helps you somehow. If you have further questions you know where you can reach me.
A nice track by the way, in a need of a little mastering only. You mix quite good anyway.
Cheers
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Thalamus
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First of all, I wanna say sorry to you chris for my first post. I realize now that I must have been very sensitive when saying what I did. I dont really listen to what you say, and made a fool out of myself.
That you take you time and post a second, really super usefull post to me, i'm grateful. Thank you, I guess what triggered me, was the "what are we meant to say anymore" sentence, which may indicate that i'm bad at taking "good critics". I may be too spoiled...
Yeah, it's too loud in the refrain, especially the bass. It would sound very squased when played in radio.
Thank you, weirdo, I'll take the compliment straigth to the rappers.
I gotta say to his credit that the intro (voices, effects) scrathing is made live by DJ NOIZE, no fx, just straight to the mixer... (he's unhuman), and the intro sample is some iraq people in the mountains doing their thing...
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<font size=-1>[ This Message was edited by: Thalamus on 2003-07-13 20:35 ]</font>
That you take you time and post a second, really super usefull post to me, i'm grateful. Thank you, I guess what triggered me, was the "what are we meant to say anymore" sentence, which may indicate that i'm bad at taking "good critics". I may be too spoiled...
Yeah, it's too loud in the refrain, especially the bass. It would sound very squased when played in radio.
Thank you, weirdo, I'll take the compliment straigth to the rappers.
I gotta say to his credit that the intro (voices, effects) scrathing is made live by DJ NOIZE, no fx, just straight to the mixer... (he's unhuman), and the intro sample is some iraq people in the mountains doing their thing...
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