WHEN A NEW RELEASE OF SFP ???

dehuszar · Post by **dehuszar** » Thu Jun 26, 2003 9:27 pm

It would be nice to have more presets made available for the SFP synths from time to time to really show off what they can do (and to expand the variety of sounds).

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Then you should check out the presets forum on our beloved Z! There some real bitch'n Prisma presets. Don't have the MiniMax so I can/t comment on those, but they're around.

Sam

Starco · Post by **Starco** » Fri Jul 04, 2003 4:40 pm

Creamware IS working on SFP4 for Win XP and Mac OSX my sources tell me. But I can only speculate that the reception (read sales) of Noah plays an important part in how soon it will land on our doorstep. Creamware have been waiting so long with updates to the PCI cards that it might not make so much sense to release a new software version without some new cards or drop the price of Scope to Pulsar level. It would probably still be a little hard to generate a lot of excitement for a product which is several years old amongst potential new buyers.
The Scope concept was ahead of it's time and it's a shame it took so long to get it working properly. Now the speed of PCs and Macs has gone to impressive levels and most young new programmers don't see why they should spend money on DSP cards. Also, in case anyone haven't noticed the music business is in it's worst crisis in years and the first things that happens in this situation is that musicians stop spending money on new gear (they just use what they've got and download cracks to get new sounds and features)so Creamware might not make it to the other side of the fence....

In any case, We'll find out soon enough.

astroman · Post by **astroman** » Fri Jul 04, 2003 7:23 pm

On 2003-07-04 17:40, Starco wrote:
...It would probably still be a little hard to generate a lot of excitement for a product which is several years old amongst potential new buyers.

The Scope concept was ahead of it's time and it's a shame it took so long to get it working properly.

Now the speed of PCs and Macs has gone to impressive levels and most young new programmers don't see why they should spend money on DSP cards.

Starco, I'd like to disagree a little bit

If someone just bought a Pulsar, it is brand new for him and can generate a lot of exitement.
The Scope concept is timeless - it just pictures a studio setup inside the PC box.
That it's still unmatched is related to both hardware quality AND the quality of programming in CW's developement section.
It didn't take long at all if you consider on what software fundamentals SFP is built.
This is definetely no kid's stuff but leading edge engineering - and I'm pretty shure that young programmers aren't frightened away at all.
We have a rather successful member - hi RedMuze

here, who took the challenge and already moved, ahmm better rocked the planetz with some outstanding devices.

If you're not in mass market, it's quality, not quantity what makes you succeed.
Well, and regarding PC's speed that's true to some degree, but it doesn't make them more precise.
They just do their calculation inaccuracies more often per cycle.
I've repeated it numerous times: with a good software optimization you can speedup a programm beyond any reasonable clockrates.
If a talented programmer codes significant parts by hand you can achieve an improvement of 4-20 times on a routine.

cheers, Tom

remixme · Post by **remixme** » Wed Jul 16, 2003 7:47 am

Have to agree with astroman with creamware systems being new to people when they buy it.

Following on from that I'm always surprised by how few people know about creamware systems.

Seems like every musician I've told about my system has never heard of it.

scary808 · Post by **scary808** » Wed Jul 16, 2003 1:21 pm

If CW made an XTC mode in the OSX SFP which used the Audio Units plugin format they would definitely turn a lot of heads.

Shayne White · Post by **Shayne White** » Wed Jul 16, 2003 4:39 pm

Apple's computers (at least until the G5) weren't as fast as the fastest PCs, but Apple sells quality products and that's why they're still a healthy company. So CW's stuff might be expensive and maybe slightly under-powered, but they make high-quality products (and some of their new synths are amazing). So yes, SFP is still very exciting -- what other soundcard gives you the routing flexibility of SCOPE?

Shayne

dehuszar · Post by **dehuszar** » Wed Jul 16, 2003 10:04 pm

On 2003-07-16 17:39, Shayne White wrote:
CW's stuff might be expensive and maybe slightly under-powered, but they make high-quality products (and some of their new synths are amazing).

Shayne

I agree with most of what you say in your post, but I can't quite imagine what SFP would be underpowered in comparison to. Perhaps a room full of dedicated hardware, but that doesn't seem to negate the need for something liket the SFP platform to exist as a room full of gear is by far more difficult to afford and manage.

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I just bought a Scope/SP, and while yes, it was expensive, I paid more for the K2500XS several years back -which is now, essentially, made redundant and seemingly absurd to hold on to at this point.

Not to mention that the SFP system is a hell of a lot more flexible and usable then the K2500 (or just about anything else I've had the pleasure of tweaking--barring women of course...

) The ability to navigate the synths in a VST style has just starting to hit hardware (read: run off a dedicated chip) synths in the past year or so.

I've learned how to use the Creamware system fairly quickly and have not had much difficulty in exploring its depths (though there's still enormous depths to spelunk and I'd never claim that my understanding of SFP is complete), whereas the k2500 for all it's might is a royal pain to get into the good stuff as it's menu system is inordinately complex and tedious with all the menu selecting.

Yet in spite of this, I would be hard pressed to find any pro who might consider the K2500 underpowered. There may be drawbacks or limitations, but this is the real world we're living in.

I think comparisons against just about any piece of gear or even selection of gear (which SFP can easily be), will be about the same.

My $.02
Sam

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Post by **hubird** » Thu Jul 17, 2003 9:55 am

agree, my K2500S is still top, superb filters, flexible, and widespread menus (I find the handling easy).
But... I don't use it anymore, even while I can work with SMIDI to exchange samples between the Mac and the sampler.

Heh, originally 5000 EUR, who does an offer

spoimala · Post by **spoimala** » Thu Jul 17, 2003 3:37 pm

Kurz for sale? I offer 500EUR

Post by **hubird** » Thu Jul 17, 2003 10:53 pm

I would immediately buy one for that price

spoimala · Post by **spoimala** » Fri Jul 18, 2003 3:19 am

One shouldn't offer more than he is willing to pay.

Okay, 600EUR

Post by **hubird** » Fri Jul 18, 2003 10:13 am

sorry, I decided not to go down under 610,- EUR

dehuszar · Post by **dehuszar** » Fri Jul 18, 2003 10:36 am

I might be selling mine in a month or so. I have to see if an intended buyer craps out or not. If not, I'll post it in the Pulsar Purchasing Room along with my Luna II+24/96 IO+Plugs.

The Keyboard (K2500XS) will go for about $1600 + shipping, so all you posting in euros beware, this thing is like 75 lbs. --not sure about kgs.

The Luna II et al, will probably go for about $600. Both would be shipped from Chicago, IL USA

I'll give you more details when they're available. This is not an official 4 Sale post, so if you're interested, keep your eyes peeled in the Purchasing room or email me privately.

Sam